Fletcher's a joke

[BingLeeElectric]

Originally Posted by steds

A graphic of Warne bowling Pietersen I assume?

[steds]

Nah. One of the inside of your head.

[howardj]

In Fletcher's defence, he wasn't the person who told the batsmen to be so ultra-defensive yesterday. Apparently, the talk in the dressing room was to get the scoreboard going. It was that defensiveness - a decision made by the batsmen who were out there - that cost England the match. And, unless people are arguing that Panesar is better than Vettori (who averages over 40 against Australia, in Australia) Monty's non-selection has hardly cost England the Series. I know people are frustrated, but you have to maintain some perspective.

You've got to crack on, and go to Perth with the chin up.

[techno t]

Originally Posted by howardj

In Fletcher's defence, he wasn't the person who told the batsmen to be so ultra-defensive yesterday. Apparently, the talk in the dressing room was to get the scoreboard going. It was that defensiveness - a decision made by the batsmen who were out there - that cost England the match. And, unless people are arguing that Panesar is better than Vettori (who averages over 40 against Australia, in Australia) Monty's non-selection has hardly cost England the Series. I know people are frustrated, but you have to maintain some perspective.

You've got to crack on, and go to Perth with the chin up.

crack on with the chin up Those lads will be really down in the depths now. Setting the record for posting the most in a 1st innings and losing the match, that really is gonna knock em down.

I doubt there will be any of their chins up for along time, and im fearing a bloody whitewash and i bet they will be too

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[Neil Pickup]

Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

I'd rather have not won the Ashes at all than lose them in the fashion we are doing.

Completely not true on all of your parts.

[Barney Rubble]

Originally Posted by Langeveldt

Im sure at the time you'd have taken an Ashes win under those circumstances, and a 5-0 whitewash afterwards if offered it..

Yeah, probably. A 5-0 whitewash wouldn't have hurt much if I knew it was coming.

[Arrow]

Originally Posted by howardj

. And, unless people are arguing that Panesar is better than Vettori (who averages over 40 against Australia, in Australia) Monty's non-selection has hardly cost England the Series. I know people are frustrated, but you have to maintain some perspective.
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Since when is vettori the benchmark for spinners against australia? Hes always been a mediorce spinner.
Panesar has shown he can run through sides in tests while Giles cant. His selection was entirely defensive and it could have cost England dearly. We cant prove it did but the fact that Giles failed miserably in every aspect of the sport this test, suggests Fletcher has a lot to answer for.

[BingLeeElectric]

Originally Posted by Arrow

Since when is vettori the benchmark for spinners against australia? Hes always been a mediorce spinner.

No he hasn't. And still isn't.

[howardj]

Originally Posted by Arrow

Since when is vettori the benchmark for spinners against australia? Hes always been a mediorce spinner.
Panesar has shown he can run through sides in tests while Giles cant. His selection was entirely defensive and it could have cost England dearly. We cant prove it did but the fact that Giles failed miserably in every aspect of the sport this test, suggests Fletcher has a lot to answer for.

I said he's not as good as Vettori, who himself has a poor record out here. Therefore, it stands to reason that Monty, on the balance of probabilities, would have had a marginal impact in the Series so far. The way some people talk about him on this forum you'd swear he was a Warne clone. Just because people are frustrated with Giles, doesn't mean they should pump Panesar up into something he's not.

[shortpitched713]

Originally Posted by Langeveldt

Nah, I'd get an incomprehensible load of garbage followed by a bat to the face

Skull.

[greg]

Originally Posted by howardj

In Fletcher's defence, he wasn't the person who told the batsmen to be so ultra-defensive yesterday. Apparently, the talk in the dressing room was to get the scoreboard going. It was that defensiveness - a decision made by the batsmen who were out there - that cost England the match. And, unless people are arguing that Panesar is better than Vettori (who averages over 40 against Australia, in Australia) Monty's non-selection has hardly cost England the Series. I know people are frustrated, but you have to maintain some perspective.

You've got to crack on, and go to Perth with the chin up.

Well Panesar is better than Vettori. Anyway how often has Vettori got an opportunity to bowl against Australia with 551 runs on the board?

Anyway comparing with Vettori is silly. Even averaging 40 with the ball and opposed to, to pick randomly upon the average of another spinner, 90, England would be in a better position in this series.

Fletcher says that Panesar was not picked at Adelaide because the ball didn't spin in the 3 day match at Adelaide. No shet Sherlock! How far did it spin on days four and five of that 3 day match?

[GIMH]

Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

Completely not true on all of your parts.

Okay, okay I retract the comment. Just trying to be dramatic and all.

You don't miss what you've never had though, and we're just giving it away. Or something.

[SirBloody Idiot]

Originally Posted by greg

Well Panesar is better than Vettori. Anyway how often has Vettori got an opportunity to bowl against Australia with 551 runs on the board?

Anyway comparing with Vettori is silly. Even averaging 40 with the ball and opposed to, to pick randomly upon the average of another spinner, 90, England would be in a better position in this series.

Fletcher says that Panesar was not picked at Adelaide because the ball didn't spin in the 3 day match at Adelaide. No shet Sherlock! How far did it spin on days four and five of that 3 day match?

Panesar is not as good as Vettori.

[greg]

Originally Posted by SirBloody Idiot

Panesar is not as good as Vettori.

Based on anything in particular, or just because he hasn't been playing enough to form a judgement?

[Scaly piscine]

Originally Posted by greg

Based on anything in particular, or just because he hasn't been playing enough to form a judgement?

Based on reality. Panesar is ridiculously over-rated. If he had played these first two Tests his average would be up to 35+ by now because he'd have finally played on some spin unfriendly wickets against good players of finger spin.