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Warne in the Ashes
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FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
Warne's never been particularly good in the Pura Cup. His record for Victoria is very average, and he'll often get hammered in quite a few games and only go well in the odd game to keep his average respectable. So I don't think his Pura Cup form is particularly relevant at all. Warne had a solid season for Hampshire, and he always comes good for Australia.
Having said that, I don't think he'll have a huge series like last time, because England will combat him better and I think there'll be stronger support from the other bowlers thus fewer chances for Warne.
Having said that, I don't think he'll have a huge series like last time, because England will combat him better and I think there'll be stronger support from the other bowlers thus fewer chances for Warne.
Slow Love™
International Captain
I thought about each option - I can't see him having "little effect", and I've rarely been able to discern much from his domestic form, which he appears to treat fairly casually. The Englishmen will likely seek to play him cautiously and neutralise him - I don't think they'll be looking to get after him in general, though KP probably will.
Anyhow, I still expect him to have a very good Ashes, though not as good as the last one.
Anyhow, I still expect him to have a very good Ashes, though not as good as the last one.
age_master
Hall of Fame Member
Perm said:
agreed, last time was too much to be repeated. McGrath if he stays fit will have a bigger impact naturally.
Mahindinho
State Vice-Captain
Warne's performance during the last Ashes series was IMMENSE. Probably the single best bowling performance, over a whole series, that I can remember. Mind you, my memory's not what it used to be 
However, I reckon the England team will be less scared of him now and, without the pressure for Warne to carry the bowling attack, I don't think he'll reach those heights again. It's like the "playing against 10 men" thing in football (or "soccer" for your Aussies!) - the team that's under pressure often ups its game.
However, I reckon the England team will be less scared of him now and, without the pressure for Warne to carry the bowling attack, I don't think he'll reach those heights again. It's like the "playing against 10 men" thing in football (or "soccer" for your Aussies!) - the team that's under pressure often ups its game.
biased indian
International Coach
5 test any way he will get 25+ wickets for sure
4 + 5 + 5 + 7 + 10 (sydney) at least
i dont think in england line up any body will took the attack to him
unless u do so he will always have a greater say
4 + 5 + 5 + 7 + 10 (sydney) at least
i dont think in england line up any body will took the attack to him
unless u do so he will always have a greater say
Burgey
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Shane Warne's impact will be immense, but whether it's as immense as last year is another question.
Even if he doesn't dominate the bowling figures like last time, he rarely gets hammered at the top level and keeps pressure on. His catching at slip is generally 1st rate (barring the Oval atrocity of '05) and his low order batting can be very handy.
Let's look at the venues:
Brisbane - Warne says himself it's his favourite venue to bowl.
Adelaide - flat but turns late so he'll be a factor there.
Perth - now turns nearly as much as Sydney, and the breeze will allow him to get drift.
Melbourne - his home ground and scene of his hat trick. Maybe his last test there so he'll fire up.
Sydney - more a batsman's paradise than the monster turner of years ago, but he'll still get assistance.
So yeah, I think he'll be a huge factor.
Shane Warne's impact will be immense, but whether it's as immense as last year is another question.
Even if he doesn't dominate the bowling figures like last time, he rarely gets hammered at the top level and keeps pressure on. His catching at slip is generally 1st rate (barring the Oval atrocity of '05) and his low order batting can be very handy.
Let's look at the venues:
Brisbane - Warne says himself it's his favourite venue to bowl.
Adelaide - flat but turns late so he'll be a factor there.
Perth - now turns nearly as much as Sydney, and the breeze will allow him to get drift.
Melbourne - his home ground and scene of his hat trick. Maybe his last test there so he'll fire up.
Sydney - more a batsman's paradise than the monster turner of years ago, but he'll still get assistance.
So yeah, I think he'll be a huge factor.
shortpitched713
International Captain
Personally I don't see him missing a Test unless his arm falls off. He bowled plenty of marathon spells in last year's Ashes, and I see him as being possiblly the most motivated to win these Ashes considering how close he got to single-handedly winning them for Australia last time around.howardj said:
tooextracool
International Coach
I dont think Warnes ever had a bad Ashes series, except for the one game that he played in the 98/99 series when he had just returned from injury and was going through the worst phase of his career. Cant see him do anything other than take a bucket load of wickets tbh.
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Tbh I still think he's going to end up with a very respectable series. He bowled far better in the 1st innings than the figures showed, and on the 1st day particularly looked like he was going to get a few.
FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
IMO, he bowled better in this test than he did at Brisbane. Neither were his greatest performances, but England have played him pretty well and he still could have had a handful on day 1 in Adelaide. I think he'll take at least one or two sizable bags in the remaining tests and end up averaging a little under 30, but it's certainly not going to be one of his greatest series.
MacGill will either play in all three remaining tests or not until Sydney IMO, which might also have a bearing on Warne's wicket taking. I really think that after this test they'd be looking to draft MacGill in immediately, if it wasn't for the fact that such a move requires dropping one of the current seamers.
MacGill will either play in all three remaining tests or not until Sydney IMO, which might also have a bearing on Warne's wicket taking. I really think that after this test they'd be looking to draft MacGill in immediately, if it wasn't for the fact that such a move requires dropping one of the current seamers.
howardj
International Coach
For sure. Let's not try to find an effective 3rd paceman, like in 2005. Not when someone with such a good Test record is waiting in the wings. For the record though, I think MacGill will struggle against this English side. But he has earnt selection, based on his record alone.FaaipDeOiad said:
FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
I certainly don't think he'll rip them apart, but on the face of it he's as likely to do damage as anyone, and facing quality spin from both ends is never easy. Leaving him out in Adelaide was a fair call, but the attack did struggle on the first two days, regardless of bad luck and the pitch and so on, and a change other than including Watson is warranted.howardj said:
The problem is, do they drop Lee? I really don't see any other way to get MacGill in the team, given that they won't pick five specialist bowlers with Watson fit and probably replacing Martyn, and that Clark and McGrath really can't be dropped. I'm a big fan of Lee's and I think he was exceptional last year, but he just hasn't taken his chances in the first two tests, and Clark has.