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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    Yes, because Trescothic isn't posting in this thread. Otherwise, there'd be two.

    Seriously though, he needs to either retire or start playing. This stress related illness excuse to fly in and out of tours is just stupid.

    I found it telling that he was all roaring to go until he had two failures against Aussie bowlers and magically this 'illness' returned.
    So youd rather have him play for the entire tour and fail miserably as well as get even more depressed then?
    The failures probably confirmed something that he already thought about, that he simply wasnt able to focus on his game and he still hadnt gotten over his condition. Instead of criticising him for leaving how about crediting him for not costing England the Ashes by playing through the whole thing? Seriously, him playing 2 warm ups and leaving isnt exactly the worst thing that could have happened to England.
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    Ridiculous article from Boycott and a similar line being run by Gilchrist that Trescothick's plight is all down to the amount of cricket being played. Clearly, when a grown man sobs in a toilet for two hours there's clearly something seriously wrong. To say it's all down to scheduling is to trivialise his condition. I wondered how long it would take Gilchrist, no doubt incredibly jaded after a five month holiday, to start complaining about the amount of cricket being played.

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    Im just saying that any selector would have done the same, because they have good recent FC records
    Yes, they had decent FC records, exactly what I was saying, they didnt stand out. They have since improved as players in the Test set up.

    No Simon Jones before he was picked in 2002, took 40 wickets in that season at a relatively good average. More importantly he had impressed everybody on his visit to the Academy the year earlier.
    When you say NO Jones wasn't picked from relative obscurity, are you referring to the 2001 season where he took 17 wickets at 52.17 ???? Or when he took 34 wickets by the end of the season in 2002 (His debut was in July!) at an average of 27.91. (10 wicks in 2000 at 37.40!) If these are extremely good stats at the time, I am one thankful England supporter that you have nothing to do with selection!!

    We are obviously not going to agree, I agree that some of the candidates had decent FC records, but my point (again) is they were not exactly breaking the door down and setting the Championship alight! Thinks thats fair.

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    Joyce in? Hmmmm. Seems England are just setting up the return of the messiah Michael Vaughan to make a return to the scene of his greatest batting triumphs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj
    Ridiculous article from Boycott and a similar line being run by Gilchrist that Trescothick's plight is all down to the amount of cricket being played. Clearly, when a grown man sobs in a toilet for two hours there's clearly something seriously wrong. To say it's all down to scheduling is to trivialise his condition. I wondered how long it would take Gilchrist, no doubt incredibly jaded after a five month holiday, to start complaining about the amount of cricket being played.
    Completely, completely agree. I read Boyc's article last night and my eyes started rolling immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox
    There's also the chance that the affliction isn't directly affecting Marcus himself. Although may be affecting a Trescothick...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Love™
    Completely, completely agree. I read Boyc's article last night and my eyes started rolling immediately.
    I read it on the toilet and I was in pain, but I'm not sure if it was from the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    Don't mind me, I'm probably just overcompensating for some other shortcomings.

    In seriousness, maybe its overboard accusing him from being a tool and I truly do feel sympathy for someone with a legitimate problem. But I just don't like his constant in and out of the team.

    But, I make no apologies re: Brett Lee. It's the ASHES man!
    Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree, I certainly respect your posts and enjoy reading them, but you do have some crazy views sometimes!

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    About Boycott's article...I'm a fan of GB but I don't always agree with him and he's wrong this time. He blames it on too much cricket(wrongly IMO) but he would have the England squad playing more county cricket which would increase the workload. And don't tell me Gilchrist is moaning about the schedule again...and isn't funny that a lot of his team-mates use their off-season break to play cc...and as someone wrote in the Wisden Cricketer earlier this year the average Aussie doesn't get a 5 month break.
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    People shouldn`t trivialise depression. I hate it when people say "I feel so depressed" in front of people they know have/suspect of having depression. It`s an illness, and mis-comparisons are downright stupid. I sometimes find it hard to relate to the decisions and actions of clinically depressed people, but I don`t understand what they feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodster
    Yes, they had decent FC records, exactly what I was saying, they didnt stand out. They have since improved as players in the Test set up. .
    Their records stood out when you compared them to anyone elses in FC cricket.Owais Shah for example has been the best player in the domestic circuit for the last 5 years. Rob Key broke a few records in the 2004 season. The fact is that the only players with better records in county cricket are hick, ramprakash and crawley and none of them have a future with England.



    Quote Originally Posted by Woodster
    When you say NO Jones wasn't picked from relative obscurity, are you referring to the 2001 season where he took 17 wickets at 52.17 ???? Or when he took 34 wickets by the end of the season in 2002 (His debut was in July!) at an average of 27.91. (10 wicks in 2000 at 37.40!) If these are extremely good stats at the time, I am one thankful England supporter that you have nothing to do with selection!!

    We are obviously not going to agree, I agree that some of the candidates had decent FC records, but my point (again) is they were not exactly breaking the door down and setting the Championship alight! Thinks thats fair.
    Who is though? That is my point. When you have to choose amongst mediocrity you choose the best of the pack, regardless of whether their records are earth shattering or not. With regards to Jones i think he was picked too early anyways, but yes Jones is one case where they picked him based on seeing him bowl rather than his record. I think almost everyone who saw him bowl at the time was highly impressed not surprisingly, however i think at the time when he was picked along with Harmison, they were both picked because they could bowl at 90 mph rather than for their other attributes. Certainly when you look at Fletchers selections since then(Mahmood and Plunkett), its fairly obvious that he picks them on speed and height rather than variety and accuracy.

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    It's part of the deal, mental stress

    He is weak and shouldn't be part of the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajeev
    It's part of the deal, mental stress

    He is weak and shouldn't be part of the game
    In one way, that's actually hilarious.

    But in every other way, it's really just sad and an indictment on you.

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    Indeed. This is a general trend in his posts tbh.

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