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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Wright
    Maybe so. However, Watson is the biggest confidence player I have seen. If he's doing well then he's all smiles and niggling batsman jumping for joy around the field. When he's not his head is down, his bowling is poor and it affects all parts of his game.
    One of the commentators at the Malaysian tour said Watson had undertaken some positive body language classes
    You know it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac
    One of the commentators at the Malaysian tour said Watson had undertaken some positive body language classes
    Didn't show when he was bowled by Anderson. It looked like Watson had been put under pressure by Sipowicz & Clarke to give up his best friend in some kind of armed robbery sting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac
    One of the commentators at the Malaysian tour said Watson had undertaken some positive body language classes
    The fact that he had to take classes in the first place says a lot, IMO.

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    True, but the same might be said for Monty, who's having pre-emptive therapy before coming over for the Ashes.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey
    True, but the same might be said for Monty, who's having pre-emptive therapy before coming over for the Ashes.....
    That's a precautionary rather than a reactionary measure though.

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    Yeah, but imo the same thing applies.

    I think they're both good prospects tbh. From an Australian point of view, I'd love to see Watson kick on. Our last really good (great?) all rounder was probably Davo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey
    Yeah, but imo the same thing applies.

    I think they're both good prospects tbh. From an Australian point of view, I'd love to see Watson kick on. Our last really good (great?) all rounder was probably Davo.
    He was a great bowler and decent bat, but was never able to score a Test ton. I would think our last genuine AR was Miller in the 50s

    Which for such a great cricketing nation is surprising

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    Paul Reiffel might have been close to AR status for the last couple of years of his career?

    Otherwise, either of the Waugh boys, although they were definately batting allrounders, rather than genuine AR?

    And Jason Gillespie does have a 200 to his name, need I remind you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey
    True, but the same might be said for Monty, who's having pre-emptive therapy before coming over for the Ashes.....
    If you believe everything said in the papers.

    I'm a tad sceptical about that to be honest - why would he advertise such a thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79
    Paul Reiffel might have been close to AR status for the last couple of years of his career?

    Otherwise, either of the Waugh boys, although they were definately batting allrounders, rather than genuine AR?

    And Jason Gillespie does have a 200 to his name, need I remind you!
    Steve Waugh began his career as a bowling AR. And for the most part of his OD career he was a genuine AR.

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    what about Gary Gilmour he showed great early promise it seems but declined a lot and Simon O'Donnel although he was probably a ODI specialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    what about Gary Gilmour he showed great early promise it seems but declined a lot and Simon O'Donnel although he was probably a ODI specialist.
    Gus and Flipper, talent but not enough results.

    Genuine AR from Aussie cricket (Tests) I am marking very hard

    George Giffen
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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac
    Gus and Flipper, talent but not enough results.

    Genuine AR from Aussie cricket (Tests) I am marking very hard

    George Giffen
    Monty Noble
    Jack Gregory
    Keith Miller
    Hmm George Giffen averaged 23.35 with the bat, ok he scored one hundred, but how does that make him more of an all rounder then Hugh Trumble, Paul Reiffel or Allan Davison. Trumble and Reiffel were bowling all rounder at best, but so was Giffen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00
    Hmm George Giffen averaged 23.35 with the bat, ok he scored one hundred, but how does that make him more of an all rounder then Hugh Trumble, Paul Reiffel or Allan Davison. Trumble and Reiffel were bowling all rounder at best, but so was Giffen.
    True but batting Ave. were much lower in Giffen's day for example Australia's best batsman of the period William Murdoch finished with a Test Ave. of 32.00. And he was the Ponting of his time other top order batsman such as: Alick Bannerman =23.08. George Bonnor=17.07. Percy McDonnell=28.78.

    So Giffen's ave is quite good, when one considers he bowled a lot of overs.

    My main criteria was that the player would be picked for his batting or bowling alone if he only had the one discipline. I think George Giffen fits this criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac
    True but batting Ave. were much lower in Giffen's day for example Australia's best batsman of the period William Murdoch finished with a Test Ave. of 32.00. And he was the Ponting of his time other top order batsman such as: Alick Bannerman =23.08. George Bonnor=17.07. Percy McDonnell=28.78.

    So Giffen's ave is quite good, when one considers he bowled a lot of overs.

    My main criteria was that the player would be picked for his batting or bowling alone if he only had the one discipline. I think George Giffen fits this criteria.
    I recognise the fact that averages were low, but the big factor is that he only scored one hundred and six 50s. If he were a specialist (i.e got picked as either a batsmen or bowler) then he would have got for inability to score big scores, but his bowling kept him in the side. Just as Trumble, Davison and Benuad bowling kept them in their respective sides. They all could bat, but no good enough to make a side as a batsmen alone. Really outside Miller and Noble and maybe Gregory, Australia haven't produced a out and out all rounder.

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