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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    Flintoff's shot was far worse than those from Strauss or Collingwood. Strauss was playing a shot that is a legitimate rungetter for him at home, and Collingwood had made 96 and just lost concentration and was suckered by a good delivery.

    Flintoff got a fairly short one and just heaved across the line at it, having just started his innings, as captain and trying to save the test. Absolutely unforgivable. If he's a test number six the way he's playing recently, then so is Brett Lee.

    Anyway, top knocks from Cook, Collingwood and Pietersen. I really like watching Cook bat, he's got a great temprament and tries really hard, and while Collingwood doesn't normally impress me that much he did play well. KP's battle with Warne is great to watch and he played a good innings, if a bit over aggressive and lucky at times given the match situation.

    England should take heart from the Perth test against South Africa last year. Though it was much flatter wicket, South Africa were a couple down early on day 5 and managed to save the game very comfortably. There's only three sessions to go, and if they get to lunch without losing more than one wicket and the storms come early, they could theoretically save the game. The safe money is still on Australia of course, but it's alive.

    From an Australian perspective, Lee was very disappointing today. I thought he bowled quite well in the first innings and was a little unlucky, but today he was unimaginative and unthreatening, and was back to his old bad habits. Clark was absolutely magnificent before lunch, and at least consistent afterwards and has generally been very impressive. McGrath was okay and bowled a few potential wicket balls, but didn't bowl that many overs due to the injury and will probably be a bigger threat tomorrow with the new ball. Warne was, of course, just fantastic. Wasn't the best day of bowling I've ever seen from him or anything, but he just kept trying and deserved every wicket he got. Hopefully he goes on to make it a sizable bag tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    I don't think I was watching at the time, I was in the pool taking a swim, what actually happened to McGrath?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    Yeah, I agree. I don't think Lee has been "just as woeful" as Harmison, or even Anderson and Giles aside from one or two spells, but he's certainly been very unthreatening in the second innings. And as I said on the first day, it's a perfectly decent pitch for accurate seamers who pitch it up and enjoy bounce, which is why Flintoff, McGrath and Clark have been consistently threatening on it, but not very good for bowlers like Hoggard, Anderson and Lee. Add in the fact that the cracks really started to open up from the third morning on and it was always going to be hard to face Clark and McGrath.

    Still, there's a problem when an attack simply can't handle bowling in conditions that arise fairly regularly in Australia. If the WACA staff manage to achieve their goal of getting it back to its old pace the wicket there might well turn out to be quite similar, and aside from reverse there's never going to be much swing around in Adelaide, which is the driest climate of the major cities in Australia. It'll be tough for England to take 20 wickets at either ground without improvement.
    TBH I have a feeling Perth could suit Hoggard do the ground if the conditions are right. Stuart MacGill is in with a shout of playing, but who do you leave out if Watson is fit and be the 3rd seamer? Stuart Clark is one option, but it would be a harsh call on him, but then he would get the gig for Perth, and it would be a horses for courses policy. Whatever they do it would be a big call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes
    I think Collingwood was a little bit unlucky, looked to me like it took off from a crack. Still, don't see why you'd want to hit one into orbit in a situation like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79
    I've said previously, I think England should play both Giles and Paneser in Adelaide, and drop one of the seamers. My pick would be Harmy.
    i dont think palying giles and panesar both is such a bad idea but dropping harmy is a bit negative

    i think no matter what happens tom, england will take some confidence out of this match, and it will do harmison a world of good, when he gets it right hes very awkward for the batsmen, i woudlnt drop him after 1 test, i think they should give harmy one more test before they go ahead and drop the guy

    i think dropping james aderson is a good bet, hes more a swing bowler then seam bowler or bounce getter, and hoggard fits that bill perfectly, theres no point hacing two bowlers who mostly approach the game the same way

    that would mean that england would haveo to deop giles and choose panesar
    ALOT depends on how giles bats tomorow, if he bats well, they would be hesitant to disrespect a senior player like that, and im very confident they will continue to paly giles next match, even though panesar should be playinmg

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    I actually thought Anderson produced some decent overs in conditions that obviously didn't suit him. I suppose the question is whether conditions are ever going to suit him in Oz.
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    conditions are never going to suit a bowler who cant bowl accurately. Anderson had his moments this test match, but by and large his accuracy was disgraceful and he either hasnt got enough practice under his belt or simply isnt test class at the moment.
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    I think this test has shown the stupidity of not including enough acclimitization time into tours. I know the quest for the almighty dollar requires they squeeze as much international cricket in as possible, but one-sided squash matches damage the brand. Australia has lost something like only 6 matches at home since 1995, and you suspect some of the reason is that teams rock up to the Gabba every tour not adequately prepared. Even play the one-dayers first or something if tour matches can't be allowed.

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    Flintoffs batting must bring people round to my long held belief that England must play 6 specialist batsmen.

    Flintoff is a natural #7 and there just are not enough overs in a day to justify 4 specialist bowlers and Flintoff.

    Flintoff at 6 makes Englands batting lineup very weak. Who knows, the extra batsman may have already led to this Test being far closer to being saved.

    Giles bowled 30 out of 200 overs. Whats the point playing him. He would be a useful player if he averaged 40 with the bat but his inclusion plays havoc with balance.

    England must pick 6-1-1-3 for the next Test and demand one of the batsman fills in when needed.
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    Agreed, except for occasions where they want to play two specialist spinners on favourable tracks.

    From what I've seen Pieterson is a decent enough trundler and Collingwood handy enough to chance only taking 4 bowlers.

    For most of the 2005 series one of the 5 bowlers was always underbowled - usually Hoggard.

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    Yep Hoggy bowled the opening spell and then trundled off

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    Pietersen, Bell and Collingwood are more than capable of picking up the slack when required. Kevin Pietersen especially showed how good he can be with a couple of really good deliveries that beat Michael Hussey's outisde edge and Collingwood bowls regularly in ODI games. Flintoff is definately a #7.
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    I can see the reasoning behind it, but after a team takes 10 wickets for 800+ it would be a slightly odd response to drop a bowler, wouldn't it?
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    But as stated before, the answer to your problems isn't an extra mediocre bowler in the team. It's not like Harmison, Anderson and Giles' performance suffered because they were overbowled, they were just average.

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    Considering none of them bowled well then not really, we all know that England have the potential to bowl a lot better than they did in this test match. Ponting, Langer and Hussey all feasted on some pretty poor bowling from Harmison and Anderson while Hoggard was only effective at times and Giles didn't bowl that much at all.



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