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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie tragic
    Yeah, but with Giles averaging 90, Hoggard 50 and Anderson 40 in their last 5-Tests, would you really not have harmison in the second test? At least he has potential if he could get his mind right.
    I think Harmison need to go away this week, and bowl constantly in the nets just to find some rhythm. If he appears in Adelaide and isn't spraying it around anywhere near as much, then he won't get criticised.
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    Lee should bat above Warne imo anyway, Lee's a decent batsman

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    Form Watch for 3rd Ashes Test

    The following is the current form (last 5-tests) for the 3rd Ashes test:

    Australia

    1. Hayden: 198 runs @ 22.00
    2. Langer: 315 runs @ 45.00
    3. Ponting: 692 runs @ 98.85
    4. Hussey: 642 runs @ 91.71
    5. Martyn: 250 runs @ 31.25
    6. Clarke: 257 runs @ 51.40
    7. Gilchrist: 232 runs @ 38.66 --- 19 dismissals
    8. Lee: 182 runs @ 60.66 --- 13 wkts @ 47.92
    9. Warne: 110 runs @ 18.33 --- 24 wkts @ 33.50
    10. Clark: 62 runs @ 15.50 --- 23 wkts @ 21.52
    11. McGrath: 21 runs @ 10.50 --- 17 wkts @ 32.35

    12. MacGill: 55 runs @ 18.33 --- 24 wkts @ 25.29

    What this highlights IMO:

    Ponting & Hussey are still Bradmanesque, Hayden may have one more chance before Jaques comes in, Martyn should only play if Watson is still injured, Clarke is now safe for the rest of the series, Gilly is on his way back, Lee should definitely bat above Warne unless he is to make way for MacGill of course (but I’d keep Lee).

    England

    1. Strauss: 357 runs @ 39.66
    2. Cook: 384 runs @ 42.66
    3. Bell: 383 runs @ 54.71
    4. Collingwood: 464 runs @ 66.28
    5. Pietersen: 553 runs @ 61.44
    6. Flintoff: 103 runs @ 17.60 --- 19 wkts @ 31.05
    7. Jones: 130 runs @ 14.44 --- 21 dismissals
    8. Giles: 234 runs @ 29.25 --- 6 wkts @ 97.50
    9. Harmison: 95 runs @ 15.83 --- 17 wkts @ 40.76
    10. Hoggard: 29 runs @ 4.14 --- 15 wkts @ 40.26
    11. Anderson: 40 runs @ 10.00 --- 14 wkts @ 44.21

    12. Panesar: 39 runs @ 19.50 --- 22 wkts @ 27.09

    Top 5 still seems pretty good but terrible batting order overall when you need Monty to come in to strengthen the batting (the last 6 are averaging only 91 runs between them) Oh yeah, all bowlers are averaging over 40 which must be some sort of record, however none as bad as Giles’s measly 6 wkts @ 97. Good thing his batting earns him a # 6 spot in this team
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie tragic
    Good thing his batting earns him a # 6 spot in this team
    I'd be pleased to say that i was in better form with the bat than Hayden tbh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matteh
    I'd be pleased to say that i was in better form with the bat than Hayden tbh.
    Yeah, so bat him at # 6 so Panesar can player as the spinner

    bw, It's funny how everyone is calling for Martyns head (not wrong IMO, but only if Watson plays) but the 5-test stats show that Hayden is in much worse form and Jaques is a ready replacement.

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    Update on the current form (i.e. last 5-tests played) prior to the 4th Ashes Test.

    Australia

    1. Hayden: 311 runs @ 34.55
    2. Langer: 302 runs @ 43.14
    3. Ponting: 715 runs @ 102.14
    4. Hussey: 657 runs @ 109.50
    5. Clarke: 424 runs @ 84.80
    6. Symonds: 141 runs @ 20.14 --- 4 wkts @ 54.75
    7. Gilchrist: 322 runs @ 64.40 --- 20 dismissals
    8. Warne: 96 runs @ 19.20 --- 25 wkts @ 32.84
    9. Lee: 104 runs @ 34.66 --- 10 wkts @ 65.30
    10. Clark: 52 runs @ 10.40 --- 24 wkts @ 21.54
    11. McGrath: 11 runs @ 11.00 --- 20 wkts @ 28.05

    Points: Symonds is the weak link in an otherwise impressive top 7, while Johnson is getting closer to nudging out Lee (although shouldn’t happen now that a McGrath may retire from Tests after Sydney).

    England

    1. Strauss: 357 runs @ 35.70
    2. Cook: 388 runs @ 38.80
    3. Bell: 364 runs @ 40.40
    4. Collingwood: 432 runs @ 54.00
    5. Pietersen: 645 runs @ 71.66
    6. Flintoff: 134 runs @ 16.75 --- 15 wkts @ 34.40
    7. Jones: 105 runs @ 11.66 --- 21 dismissals
    8. Mahmood: 77 runs @ 12.83 --- 10 wkts @ 41.70
    9. Hoggard: 27 runs @ 3.37 --- 17 wkts @ 38.05
    10. Harmison: 92 runs @ 13.14 --- 11 wkts @ 71.00
    11. Panesar: 30 runs @ 15.00 --- 25 wkts @ 30.08

    Points: Extremely long tail from # 6 and the bowling of Harmison and Mahmood still a major worry. I’d have Joyce in at # 6, with Flintoff at # 7 and Read at # 8 (dropping Mahmood).
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    England 1-5 look fine to me, maybe Strauss needs 40+ though really.

    But even then, they're totally eclipsed by the Aus top order, and the rest of the England team is a shambles really.

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    The only real impresive person there is Pietersen who looks like one ok the only players for England who could compete for a spot on the Aussie team?
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    What about Cook? The Aussies would kill for someone like him.
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    Flintoff's stats there show why he isn't good enough to bat at #6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm
    Flintoff's stats there show why he isn't good enough to bat at #6.
    He's clearly not replicating his 2005 form. Needs 2 50s in the last 2 tests really to get his batting up to scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm
    Flintoff's stats there show why he isn't good enough to bat at #6.
    He's just in bad form, he's certainly good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire
    What about Cook? The Aussies would kill for someone like him.
    ...we would? Jaques and Rogers > Cook off the top of my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire
    He's just in bad form, he's certainly good enough.
    Which means he isn't curently good enough to bat at # 6, however I would also say that he is ideally suited to being a # 7 in the Gilchrist mode

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nnanden
    ...we would? Jaques and Rogers > Cook off the top of my head.
    Haven't seen Rogers bat, but Jaques isn't better than Cook, at least in terms of long-term potential. If Cook can sort out his slight problem with the ball slanted across him (which is more discipline than a technical flaw anyway) he looks like he's got the temprement to be a genuine test opener. Jaques is too bottom-handed in his play so plays his drives slightly inside out. I think he'll always have probs when the ball swings early on. Not an opener for mine, although neither is Hayden really and he's done ok!
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