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    Possible Ashes stating line-ups & England possible touring squad

    well talk of the ashes is heating up & both sides (more so England) don't totally know what their best XI's for the series may look like.

    AUSTRALIA:
    For Australia they have two minor problems, in the middle order where Jaques, Clarke, Martyn, Hodge & Watson are battling for two spaces. Right now i could narrow it down to one space by selecting Jaques, i think he has done enough to be able to make the side even if he has to bat in the middle-order, he has done it for Yorkshire & he himself has said he hopes the selectors dont see him just as a opener.

    For the next position its very open at the moment, Martyn came back & did fairly well in SA but he will need to score runs in the ODI's & Pura Cup to secure back is place. Clarke on the other hand has been superb in ODI's but didn't really cash in vs Bangladesh so he just has the ODI's & Pura Cup to push for a spot & who knows the fact that he is a brillaint fielder & a decent relief bowler might give him the nod presuming he make runs. Watson chances IMO have had lift due to his decent performances for Aus A in the recent top end series, i think his chances are the best because i feel Ponting & the selectors want that 5th bowling option since ashes thats why the persisted with Symonds so long. If he comes back to play in England this year & does well & does well for Queensland for the initial part of the pura cup i think he has a great chance. Hodge on the other hand was harshly dropped & has been scoring runs ever since, all he needs to do is keep it up because in case of injuries he would be a top option to fall back on, but i think he is behind the first three.

    With the bowling the only minor problem Australia have is whether to start with Gillespie or Clark. Dizzy came back with a bang in Bangladesh but has stuggled to take wickets for Yorkshire this season which is hindering him a bit, he needs to start taking wickets to get picked since we all know how valuable his gritty batting is. Clark had a wonderful first series, all he needs to do IMO is back it up with solid performances in the OD & Pura Cup & he might get the nod over Dizzy initially even if Gillespie starts taking wickets in the latter half of the county season.

    Based on that this is my Australian 1st test XI:

    Langer
    Hayden
    Ponting
    Jaques
    Hussey
    Watson
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Lee
    Clark
    McGrath


    ENGLAND:

    Well obviously England big problem is with the amount of injuries to the top players, but hopefully the current who are fit stay fit & some that are injures i.e Flintoff, Anderson, Giles & S Jones (probably) can get fit in time.

    With the batting i'd say the top 6 looks secured with Trescothick, Strauss, Cook, KP, Colly & Freddie. Read has just got a call-up & hopefully he holds it down for a while yet, until probably Steve Davies probaly lives up to the little hype he is getting. Back-up for me should come from Bell & Butcher who has been batting well this season for Surrey & even though the batting talent in the country is good its still a bit inexperienced & his experience could be useful, if not one can always go to Shah, Joyce or Key.

    With the bowling Hoggard & Harmison will start along with Freddie (once fit). From here the headache starts especially with the other fast-bowlers. Plunks & Mahmood have been fairly disappointing & for me should not be on the plane to Australia, Lewis may bowl well in England but down under he would be food. If Jones wont be able to make it which is pretty certain at this stage, hopefully Anderson can get fit soon because if his performace vs India in the Mumbai test was anything to go by he could be a vital cog in England fast bowling Arsenal with Jones out. Also i think Tremlett should be around the set-up i don't know if he is injured or has lost for Hampshire but based on what i saw of him last year he would be a good man to have IMO.

    The spinners pick themselves obviosuly, the only problem is hopefully if Gilo returns who to start with. Gilo will work has the holding bowler behind the fast-men & would offer valuable lower-order runs & good out-fielding & if conditions suit he could be effective. He wasted one in the ashes but thats just one time he has bowled well in sub-continental conditions before so its not like he useless on a turner. Panesar on the other hand looks like more of an attacking spinner while he is improving in his batting & fielding but England need to pick their best all-round side & even if Panesar continues to take wickets vs Pakistan if Gilo recovers he shouldn't start, but could still come into play on the pitches at Adelaide or the SCG where England could play both him & Gilo & 3 fast-bowlers.

    Also even if Vaughan doesn't play in the ashes, hopefully he does put on an England shirt again.

    Based on that, this would be my England starting XI & Touring sqaud:

    SQAUD:

    Flintoff* - Captain
    Read
    Jones
    Trescothick
    Strauss
    Cook
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Butcher/Joyce/Shah - either would be ok for me
    Bell
    Giles
    Panesar
    Harmison
    Hoggard
    Anderson
    Tremlett

    STARTING XI:

    Trescothick
    Strauss
    Cook
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Flintoff
    Read
    Giles
    Hoggard
    Harmison
    Anderson
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    Chop Giles and Anderson for Bell and Panesar

    Trescothick
    Strauss
    Cook
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Bell
    Flintoff
    G.Jones
    Hoggard
    Harmison
    Panesar

    Nothing wrong with that tail, Hoggy has been doing a decent job at 9 for some time, Harmison is a standard number ten, and I still don't think we really know anything about Monty's batting skills.

    Pietersen, Colly & Bell can bowl the fill-in overs.
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    I agree with GIMH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero
    Chop Giles and Anderson for Bell and Panesar

    Trescothick
    Strauss
    Cook
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Bell
    Flintoff
    G.Jones
    Hoggard
    Harmison
    Panesar

    Nothing wrong with that tail, Hoggy has been doing a decent job at 9 for some time, Harmison is a standard number ten, and I still don't think we really know anything about Monty's batting skills.

    Pietersen, Colly & Bell can bowl the fill-in overs.
    yea i must admit that does look like a better option to my line-up, presuming that Panesar keeps improving with the ball in the remaining tests vs Pakistan it wouldn't be that bad to start him as the main spinner in a 4-man bowling attack, with as you said back up coming from KP, Colly & Bell. Only thing i disagree with is Jones being ahead of Read.


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    Well I would imagine the majority agree with you on the Keeper

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    well probably, i really hope Read shines in this is 3rd stint as England keeper

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    AUSTRALIA:
    For Australia they have two minor problems, in the middle order where Jaques, Clarke, Martyn, Hodge & Watson are battling for two spaces. Right now i could narrow it down to one space by selecting Jaques, i think he has done enough to be able to make the side even if he has to bat in the middle-order, he has done it for Yorkshire & he himself has said he hopes the selectors dont see him just as a opener.

    For the next position its very open at the moment, Martyn came back & did fairly well in SA but he will need to score runs in the ODI's & Pura Cup to secure back is place. Clarke on the other hand has been superb in ODI's but didn't really cash in vs Bangladesh so he just has the ODI's & Pura Cup to push for a spot & who knows the fact that he is a brillaint fielder & a decent relief bowler might give him the nod presuming he make runs. Watson chances IMO have had lift due to his decent performances for Aus A in the recent top end series, i think his chances are the best because i feel Ponting & the selectors want that 5th bowling option since ashes thats why the persisted with Symonds so long. If he comes back to play in England this year & does well & does well for Queensland for the initial part of the pura cup i think he has a great chance. Hodge on the other hand was harshly dropped & has been scoring runs ever since, all he needs to do is keep it up because in case of injuries he would be a top option to fall back on, but i think he is behind the first three.

    Langer
    Hayden
    Ponting
    Jaques
    Hussey
    Watson
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Lee
    Clark
    McGrath
    More so, I would say the #4 spot is a three-way contest between Jacques, Martyn and Hodge. Meanwhile, Clarke is Watson's only competition at #6 because both can bowl (Watson obviously is more of a genuine threat) and I don't see J, M or H batting at that spot. If Gillespie does merely as well as Clark from here onwards, I think he'll get the nod for the first test because of his history and his batting. Anyways, this would be my squad of 15.

    Langer, Hayden, Jacques, Ponting, Martyn, Hussey, Clarke, Watson, Gilchrist, Warne, MacGill, McGrath, Lee, Gillespie, Clark

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    My 1st test squad (with Strauss named captain for good). The batting goes on and on, the bowling should be fine as long as they stay fit!

    Trescothick
    Strauss (c)
    Cook
    Collingwood
    Pietersen
    Bell
    Flintoff
    Read
    Harmison
    Hoggard
    Panesar

    Vaughan to be pensioned off, S.Jones to replace either Bell or whoever inevitably gets injured when he himself finally gets fit.

    This lineup requires Pietersen and Collingwood to bowl 10-15 overs a day though, which could be a problem. If that's the case then you bring in maybe Mahmood or Plunkett, whoever is in form with the bat. But only if the top order are performing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adharcric
    More so, I would say the #4 spot is a three-way contest between Jacques, Martyn and Hodge. Meanwhile, Clarke is Watson's only competition at #6 because both can bowl (Watson obviously is more of a genuine threat) and I don't see J, M or H batting at that spot. If Gillespie does merely as well as Clark from here onwards, I think he'll get the nod for the first test because of his history and his batting. Anyways, this would be my squad of 15.

    Langer, Hayden, Jacques, Ponting, Martyn, Hussey, Clarke, Watson, Gilchrist, Warne, MacGill, McGrath, Lee, Gillespie, Clark
    Having a rethink, as you said the #4 spot is a 3 way contest but even though i feel Jaques should play i guess it would be kind of harsh on Martyn who was recalled & played fairly well on return to be dropped again, so in that sense i guess Martyn may start but if he fails Jaques would automatically come in.

    That 15 is about main nuclues of players i would say will be around the selectors thoughts to win back the ashes, but it would be narrowed down to 13 & that is going to be though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero
    Chop Giles and Anderson for Bell and Panesar

    Trescothick
    Strauss
    Cook
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Bell
    Flintoff
    G.Jones
    Hoggard
    Harmison
    Panesar

    Nothing wrong with that tail, Hoggy has been doing a decent job at 9 for some time, Harmison is a standard number ten, and I still don't think we really know anything about Monty's batting skills.

    Pietersen, Colly & Bell can bowl the fill-in overs.
    So then...on paper is that a team that should retain the ashes? .....On paper.

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    Mike Atherton made avery important point the other day,that with Bell in this top form along with most of the middle order, even if Flintoff does recover by October & gets some match preparation in Australia, he feels it unlikely & unwise for England to start the ashes with 7 batsmen & 4 bowler (with one being Flintoff).

    Athers has a point but IMO picking that formula would be England's best combination.

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    Vaughn is saying he'll be fit on the radio now.

    I take it Collingwood would pay for his return? Imagining he was fit I'd say the Ashes tommorrow;

    Tresco
    Strauss
    Vaughn
    Cook
    Pietersen
    Bell
    Flintoff
    C.Read
    M.Hoggard
    S.Harmison
    M.Panesar

    Is it atall likely we'll only play 4 bowlers? We do only need to draw the series to retain the ashes.

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    I'd bat Cook at 3 and Vaughan at 4....little harsh on Colly but in general can't find much fault with your line-up

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    I knew Vaughan had knee problems but I wasn't aware that he was going insane as well. He won't play in the Ashes.

    Cue Vaughan to make a miraculous recovery and captain England down under.

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    The fact is (and the Pakistan series has shown this perfectly) that if you have a good spinner in the team then you don't need 4 seam bowlers. If the England management can finally recognise this then virtually all their tricky selection questions disappear in an instant.

    1) no problems with the length of the tail
    2) no problems with the keeper - Read is comfortably good enough to bat at 8.
    3) no over-reliance on Flintoff, giving England a settled shape regardless of his availabilities.

    If by some miracle they have 4 test class pace bowlers available - then pick the three who will get the most out of the wicket. Rarely during their "five man attack" period did England need all five - but their presence meant that the decisions about who would perform did not have to be made.

    With a spinner bowling 25-30 overs a day (in both innings) a side just cannot justify the presence of 4 pace bowlers. The extra batsman (who will enable the spinner to bowl with more attacking fields) is infinitely more useful.

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