Udal looking forwards

[Richard]

Originally Posted by marc71178

Chaminda Vaas, Andre Nel, Craig White, Dominic Cork and who?

Err, where precisely have I said 1 single 1 of those is better than McGrath?
I have said the good Vaas is better, but I've also said Vaas intersperses brilliance with some of the least penetrative stuff you'll ever see.
I've said neither Cork nor White got anywhere near achieving their potential - both are only credible as Test-standard bowlers for a short period of a year (at different times).
And Nel is only at the start of his career.
The only bowlers who I'd certainly rate above McGrath who played in his time are Donald and Ambrose. I'd rate Pollock as for-all-intents-and-purposes equal.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by marc71178

Only calling it as I see it.

And it most certainly is not the other way round.

Err - most of the time the people who've formed their opinion have formed it long before I've formed mine.
Hence it is me doing the agreeing\disagreeing, not the other way around.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by aussie

4 or 5 huh, namely?

Donald and Ambrose were IMO certainly better - Pollock is for-all-intents-and-purposes equal, and Wasim was probably a bit better too.
Of course, the Waqar pre-1994 was better, but he was better than almost anyone in the modern era. Also, that was before McGrath's career.

[aussie]

Originally Posted by Richard

Donald and Ambrose were IMO certainly better - Pollock is for-all-intents-and-purposes equal, and Wasim was probably a bit better too.
Of course, the Waqar pre-1994 was better, but he was better than almost anyone in the modern era. Also, that was before McGrath's career.

I'd give you Ambrose but neither of the rest:

McGrath was definately a better bowler at his peak that Donald in most conditions.

People tend to compare Pollock and McGrath because they are both very metrodomic, but even Pollock at there peaks are just below McGrath in that area and in many others.

Wasim could challenge McGrath's acheivements as a bowler of flat tracks (especially in the sub-continent) but in other conditions i think McGrath would have the edge.

I am aware of Waqar's greatness pre-1994 but i haven't seen him at his best so i cant compare the two.

[luckyeddie]

Originally Posted by aussie

4 or 5 huh, namely?

Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock, Makhaya Ntini, Andre Nel, Andrew Hall

[Richard]

Fanie de Villiers was better than most of them.
Ignore-list or not - you jumping on the South African bandwagon, too?

[Richard]

Originally Posted by aussie

I'd give you Ambrose but neither of the rest:

McGrath was definately a better bowler at his peak that Donald in most conditions.

People tend to compare Pollock and McGrath because they are both very metrodomic, but even Pollock at there peaks are just below McGrath in that area and in many others.

Wasim could challenge McGrath's acheivements as a bowler of flat tracks (especially in the sub-continent) but in other conditions i think McGrath would have the edge.

I am aware of Waqar's greatness pre-1994 but i haven't seen him at his best so i cant compare the two.

I don't need to have seen him at the time. I've read and seen enough to realise that he was a phenominon the like of which has rarely been seen. Of course, it was only for a pretty brief time.
How was McGrath better than Donald? Donald had absolutely everything you could possibly wish for in a seam-bowler. Yes, McGrath can go on to an older age than Donald, but that's it. In everything else, Donald had more than McGrath.
Donald also wins points for performing best against the best batting-line-up of his day (India).

[aussie]

Originally Posted by Richard

I don't need to have seen him at the time. I've read and seen enough to realise that he was a phenominon the like of which has rarely been seen. Of course, it was only for a pretty brief time.
How was McGrath better than Donald? Donald had absolutely everything you could possibly wish for in a seam-bowler. Yes, McGrath can go on to an older age than Donald, but that's it. In everything else, Donald had more than McGrath.
Donald also wins points for performing best against the best batting-line-up of his day (India).

Well regardless of the fact that McGrath has proven he can still bowl superbly well even when older, McGrath has probably everything you would wish to see in a world class seamer except probably blistering pace, which area's where Donald better than him.

Plus McGrath has performed againts India as well, looking at their stats vs India overall & in India its pretty similar.

McGrath vs India Overall & in India:statserver.cricket.org/guru?sdb=player;playerid=2101;class=testplayer;fil ter=basic;team=0;opposition=0;notopposition=0;seas on=0;homeaway=0;continent=0;country=0;notcountry=0 ;groundid=0;startdefault=1993-11-12;start=1993-11-12;enddefault=2006-01-06;end=2006-01-06;tourneyid=0;finals=0;daynight=0;toss=0;schedule dovers=0;scheduleddays=0;innings=0;result=0;follow on=0;seriesresult=0;captain=0;keeper=0;dnp=0;recen t=;viewtype=aro_summary;runslow=;runshigh=;batposi tion=0;dismissal=0;bowposition=0;ballslow=;ballshi gh=;bpof=0;overslow=;overshigh=;conclow=;conchigh= ;wicketslow=;wicketshigh=;dismissalslow=;dismissal shigh=;caughtlow=;caughthigh=;caughttype=0;stumped low=;stumpedhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=vie wtype

Donald vs India Overall & in India:statserver.cricket.org/guru?sdb=player;playerid=2011;class=testplayer;fil ter=basic;team=0;opposition=0;notopposition=0;seas on=0;homeaway=0;continent=0;country=0;notcountry=0 ;groundid=0;startdefault=1992-04-18;start=1992-04-18;enddefault=2002-02-24;end=2002-02-24;tourneyid=0;finals=0;daynight=0;toss=0;schedule dovers=0;scheduleddays=0;innings=0;result=0;follow on=0;seriesresult=0;captain=0;keeper=0;dnp=0;recen t=;viewtype=aro_summary;runslow=;runshigh=;batposi tion=0;dismissal=0;bowposition=0;ballslow=;ballshi gh=;bpof=0;overslow=;overshigh=;conclow=;conchigh= ;wicketslow=;wicketshigh=;dismissalslow=;dismissal shigh=;caughtlow=;caughthigh=;caughttype=0;stumped low=;stumpedhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=vie wtype

[Richard]

When did I say McGrath hasn't got good figures against India, too?
And can you please use the tool provided for shortening URLs!!!!

[aussie]

Originally Posted by Richard

When did I say McGrath hasn't got good figures against India, too?
And can you please use the tool provided for shortening URLs!!!!

i did..

[vic_orthdox]

Originally Posted by Richard

When did I say McGrath hasn't got good figures against India, too?
And can you please use the tool provided for shortening URLs!!!!

Usually it just shortens itself though, when they're that long.

[Richard]

But it'd just have been so easy to go...
McGrath vs India Overall & in India
Donald vs India Overall & in India

[aussie]

how do you get to put the words in it?

[dontcloseyoureyes]

lmfao, it's so easy bro

[Dasa]

Originally Posted by aussie

how do you get to put the words in it?

(url=http://www.----.---)text(/url)
Obviously replace the () with [] .