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    No, I preferred to listen to the man himself rather than some spotty teenager who claimed to know more about the man then he did himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Err, yes.
    That was the point I'm making.
    Tell me, please - how many players have I rubbished on Test debut (or before) that have turned-out to be anything remotely other than poor?
    Pretty much every time I've said someone's been poor they've turned-out that way - usually for a long time.
    I didn't see the debuts of Warne or McGrath, so you don't know what I'd have said about them.
    You rubbish McGrath now, why would it have been any different way back on his debut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Vaughan doesn't have a poor First-Class average - since being picked for England he's averaged in the 50s.
    Trescothick has only been anything resembling a Test success due to luck.
    Simon Jones is still far from a good Test bowler yet, he's had 1 good series.
    Flintoff, last I looked, has barely played any non-Test First-Class cricket since 2003.
    Jeepers, I hope I have a a run of luck like Trescos lasting the better part of six years....

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    No, I preferred to listen to the man himself rather than some spotty teenager who claimed to know more about the man then he did himself.
    Try getting your facts straight before throwing around wild baseless insults.
    Otherwise we're on the familiar "resort to insults when losing" ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Son Of Coco
    You rubbish McGrath now, why would it have been any different way back on his debut?
    When on Earth do I do anything of the sort.
    I've talked him down (in the past - and of late, when most have done so too) but I've certainly never rubbished him.
    Reading from people who faced him, he wasn't actually much of a threat early on, though, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PY
    Jeepers, I hope I have a a run of luck like Trescos lasting the better part of six years....

    I can't believe you sometimes mate.
    It's, obviously, not been the entire course of 6 years - it returned in The Ashes, having been absent since 2003.
    There's simply no denying that Trescothick in this period was poor, and it's no coincidence that it followed this period where he unquestionably was very lucky.
    Trescothick did bat unexpectedly well in 2004 and 2004\05, but he you'd really be stretching it to suggest that he wasn't once again extremely fortunate in 2005.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    I've talked him down (in the past - and of late, when most have done so too) but I've certainly never rubbished him.
    Poor strokes?
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    Yes.
    Point being?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Reading from people who faced him, he wasn't actually much of a threat early on, though, no.
    Out of curiosity, why is the opinion of batsmen who faced a bowler good enough to say that a bowler was crap, but not good enough to say that a bowler was good? For instance, all those batsmen who claim that McGrath is the best bowler of his age, when you were claiming that he was just lucky?
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    Because those who claim McGrath as the best of the era do not agree with Richard's opinion so therefore their opinion is worthless, whereas the others agree with him, so their opinion is obviously correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    Out of curiosity, why is the opinion of batsmen who faced a bowler good enough to say that a bowler was crap, but not good enough to say that a bowler was good? For instance, all those batsmen who claim that McGrath is the best bowler of his age, when you were claiming that he was just lucky?
    Because batsmen praise bowlers loads - in any case, McGrath isn't a million miles from being the best bowler of his age. There are probably 4 or 5 at best who are better.
    Batsmen don't often put down bowlers unless they were truly average. Especially when they're batsmen who happened to end-up being dismissed more times (19) by that bowler than any batsman has been dismissed by a bowler in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Because those who claim McGrath as the best of the era do not agree with Richard's opinion so therefore their opinion is worthless, whereas the others agree with him, so their opinion is obviously correct.
    Try the other way around, chum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Because batsmen praise bowlers loads - in any case, McGrath isn't a million miles from being the best bowler of his age. There are probably 4 or 5 at best who are better.
    4 or 5 huh, namely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Because batsmen praise bowlers loads - in any case, McGrath isn't a million miles from being the best bowler of his age. There are probably 4 or 5 at best who are better.
    Chaminda Vaas, Andre Nel, Craig White, Dominic Cork and who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Try the other way around, chum...
    Only calling it as I see it.

    And it most certainly is not the other way round.

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