England vs Australia - Who has the best depth?

aussie · 22-03-2006, 09:29 PM

Lets see..

ENGLAND:

OPENERS:

1. Trescothick
2. Strauss
3. Cook

MIDDLE-ORDER:

1. Vaughan
2. Pietersen
3. Collingwood
4. Bell
5. Shah
6. Joyce
7. Key

ALL-ROUNDERS:

1. Flintoff

WICKET-KEEPERS

1. G Jones
2. Read
3. Prior

FAST-BOWLERS:

1. Harmison
2. Hoggard
3. S Jones
4. Anderson
5. Tremlett
6. Plunkett
7. Mahmood
8. Harrison

SPINNERS:

1. Giles
2. Panesar
3. Udal
4. Batty
5. Swann

AUSTRALIA:

OPENERS:

1. Langer
2. Hayden
3. Jaques
4. M Hussey

MIDDLE-ORDER:

1. Ponting
2. Martyn
3. M Hussey
4. Clarke
5. Hodge
6. Katich
7. Cosgrove
8. D Hussey
9. Marsh

ALL-ROUNDERS:

1. Watson
2. Symonds
3. Henriques

WICKET-KEEPERS:

1. Gilchrist
2. Haddin
3. Hartley

FAST-BOWLERS:

1. McGrath
2. Lee
3. Gillespie
4. Clark
5. Tait
6. Kasprowicz
7. Bracken
8. Dorey

SPINNERS:

1. Warne
2. MacGill
3. Cullen
4. Bailey
5. Casson

Well i'd say Australia slightly at the moment

dontcloseyoureyes · 22-03-2006, 09:36 PM

England showed that their depth can perform and fight hard.

Australia's depth is yet to show that.

RoyForPM · 22-03-2006, 09:39 PM

I think Australia's depth have shown a lot e.g Stuart Clark coming in for McGrath is a perfect example, even Mike Hussey and Phil Jacques are a sign of the Aussies depth and i cant see how you call Giles a spinner when he averaged 50 in the Ashes

mikeW · 22-03-2006, 09:40 PM

As far as allrounders go White would be ahead of Henriques....

RoyForPM · 22-03-2006, 09:40 PM

Moises Henriques, what a champion, 2007 world cup squad for sure but i dont think hell crack ashes squad

aussie · 22-03-2006, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes

England showed that their depth can perform and fight hard.

Australia's depth is yet to show that.

yea, but its not like Australia haven't got the chance to do then, when McGrath & Warne had their respective times out of the game th back-up covered well.While the batitng hasn't suffered much injury problems to be exposed, so yea your probably right.

But it doesn't deny the fact that Australia doesn't have strong depth

Dasa · 22-03-2006, 11:01 PM

Hmmm... that list is more than just a bit biased. For instance, in middle order batsmen you've listed only one uncapped player from England, while you've listed three from Australia....

dontcloseyoureyes · 22-03-2006, 11:05 PM

Solanki should be in the England list.

luckyeddie · 23-03-2006, 12:12 AM

Where's Rikki?

marc71178 · 23-03-2006, 01:07 AM

Batting depth - Australia.
Bowling depth - England.
Captaincy depth - England.

benchmark00 · 23-03-2006, 01:11 AM

Captaincy death? Just because we have a shocker now, doesn't mean we don't have depth. Warne, Gilchrist, Langer, Hussey can all captain well. It's just a shame we have Ponting as our chosen one.

FaaipDeOiad · 23-03-2006, 01:52 AM

Yeah the captaincy depth thing is rubbish.

Regarding the bowling, Engalnd's severe lack of spin depth is a worry. They have a passable option in Giles, and a fair amount of crap behind him. Australia have MacGill who is certainly the best spinner in the world who isn't a test regular, and with Cullen, Bailey, Casson and such have a fair amount of domestic depth as well.

And in fact, if you compare the fast bowling depth outside of the first XI, you're looking at Plunkett, Anderson and Tremlett against Clark, Gillespie and probably Dorey, in terms of the first three choices. I wouldn't call that a win for England either. At best it'd be a tie.

steds · 23-03-2006, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Regarding the bowling, Engalnd's severe lack of spin depth is a worry. They have a passable option in Giles, and a fair amount of crap behind him. Australia have MacGill who is certainly the best spinner in the world who isn't a test regular, and with Cullen, Bailey, Casson and such have a fair amount of domestic depth as well.

I'm pretty confident that Panesar is as good as Cullen, Bailey and Casson. Keedy and Swann are also good, but Keedy's getting on a bit (he's still ~6 years younger than Udal, mind

) and Swann doesn't seem to feature in mad Dunc's plans.

About the seamers, there doesn't seem to be alot of depth in either. After Flintoff, Harmison, Inbred, Jones, and Anderson, the quality of England's seamers drops off quite dramatically, but as does Australia's when they reach Tait & co.

Also, having Collingwood, as great as he is, close to pole for a spot in the middle order doesn't exactly fill me with confidence, either.

RoyForPM · 23-03-2006, 02:48 AM

I dont think Aussie bowling drops off:
Warne
Lee
McGrath
Bracken
MacGill
Kaspa
Gillespie
Clark
Tait
Dorey
Have all had successful careers and have all had their Aussie Debuts in test or one-day

steds · 23-03-2006, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoyForPM

I dont think Aussie bowling drops off:
Warne
Lee
McGrath
Bracken
MacGill
Kaspa
Gillespie
Clark
Tait
Dorey
Have all had successful careers and have all had their Aussie Debuts in test or one-day

So have Tremlett and Plunkett. Doesn't make them particularly good test players. I have doubts about Tait and Dorey, while I think Anderson is atleast as good as Kaspa, Gillepie and possibly Bracken.

22-03-2006, 09:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
aussie Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cricket Posts: 16,845	England vs Australia - Who has the best depth? Lets see.. ENGLAND: OPENERS: 1. Trescothick 2. Strauss 3. Cook MIDDLE-ORDER: 1. Vaughan 2. Pietersen 3. Collingwood 4. Bell 5. Shah 6. Joyce 7. Key ALL-ROUNDERS: 1. Flintoff WICKET-KEEPERS 1. G Jones 2. Read 3. Prior FAST-BOWLERS: 1. Harmison 2. Hoggard 3. S Jones 4. Anderson 5. Tremlett 6. Plunkett 7. Mahmood 8. Harrison SPINNERS: 1. Giles 2. Panesar 3. Udal 4. Batty 5. Swann AUSTRALIA: OPENERS: 1. Langer 2. Hayden 3. Jaques 4. M Hussey MIDDLE-ORDER: 1. Ponting 2. Martyn 3. M Hussey 4. Clarke 5. Hodge 6. Katich 7. Cosgrove 8. D Hussey 9. Marsh ALL-ROUNDERS: 1. Watson 2. Symonds 3. Henriques WICKET-KEEPERS: 1. Gilchrist 2. Haddin 3. Hartley FAST-BOWLERS: 1. McGrath 2. Lee 3. Gillespie 4. Clark 5. Tait 6. Kasprowicz 7. Bracken 8. Dorey SPINNERS: 1. Warne 2. MacGill 3. Cullen 4. Bailey 5. Casson Well i'd say Australia slightly at the moment

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23-03-2006, 01:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
FaaipDeOiad Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 18,682	Yeah the captaincy depth thing is rubbish. Regarding the bowling, Engalnd's severe lack of spin depth is a worry. They have a passable option in Giles, and a fair amount of crap behind him. Australia have MacGill who is certainly the best spinner in the world who isn't a test regular, and with Cullen, Bailey, Casson and such have a fair amount of domestic depth as well. And in fact, if you compare the fast bowling depth outside of the first XI, you're looking at Plunkett, Anderson and Tremlett against Clark, Gillespie and probably Dorey, in terms of the first three choices. I wouldn't call that a win for England either. At best it'd be a tie. __________________ I know a place where a royal flush Can never beat a pair

22-03-2006, 09:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
RoyForPM Cricket Spectator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 30	I think Australia's depth have shown a lot e.g Stuart Clark coming in for McGrath is a perfect example, even Mike Hussey and Phil Jacques are a sign of the Aussies depth and i cant see how you call Giles a spinner when he averaged 50 in the Ashes

22-03-2006, 09:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
mikeW International Vice-Captain Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: on the couch Posts: 4,025	As far as allrounders go White would be ahead of Henriques....

22-03-2006, 09:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
RoyForPM Cricket Spectator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 30	Moises Henriques, what a champion, 2007 world cup squad for sure but i dont think hell crack ashes squad

22-03-2006, 11:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dasa International Vice-Captain Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts: 4,955	Hmmm... that list is more than just a bit biased. For instance, in middle order batsmen you've listed only one uncapped player from England, while you've listed three from Australia....

22-03-2006, 11:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
dontcloseyoureyes BARNES OUT Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: WILDCARD, BITCHES Posts: 27,710	Solanki should be in the England list.

23-03-2006, 02:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
RoyForPM Cricket Spectator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 30	I dont think Aussie bowling drops off: Warne Lee McGrath Bracken MacGill Kaspa Gillespie Clark Tait Dorey Have all had successful careers and have all had their Aussie Debuts in test or one-day

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