Originally Posted by Fusion
So let me get this straight. What you are saying is “occupying someone else's country and dropping bombs on them is going to result in this”. By “this”, I presume the Taliban’s actions of bombing and killing minorities (which includes children), subjugating women and treating them like cattle, imposing their version of Islam on everyone, and giving safe havens to notorious terrorists to operate freely from their territories. Wow, I didn’t realize the American invasion caused all of this. And of course as Imran states, there is no threat to Pakistan from this type of Taliban ideology.
I’m tired of having the same argument with Imran’s supporters. Either you acknowledge that the Taliban (the Pakistani AND Afghani versions) are an evil force that must be defeated at all costs to save Pakistan and Afghanistan, or you acquiesce to their demands and cede your sovereign territory to them (never mind the fact that you raise holy hell about the American “invaders” controlling Afghan territory). As for me, I’m thankful for every day that Imran is not in power and implementing his “vision” for Pakistan.
Its very difficult to have any logical discussion on this topic because people seem to be so polarised these days...you are arguing with points I never made nor did Khan ever make..
No one who makes this argument ever supports Taliban's ideology.
I will try to say this in the most simplest terms possible because the polarised world that we live in, people read what they want to read..
I personally detest the Taliban ideology..so does Khan and PTI. There should not be any debate on that.
Criticising US occupation and invasion is not the same
as supporting the Talibans. If you call yourself a liberal, then please stop living in George Bush's black and white world of "you're either with us or against us'
Now, about the Talibans..for all their atrocities committed in Afghanistan before 9/11, they never hurt America or Pakistan. 9/11 might have been orchestrated by Al Qaeda but they are not the same
as the Taliban, especially not today's Taliban
. Now I understand most people do not understand this difference..hell they even thought Saddam and Osama were in league at one point before the Iraq war..so this is important that you understand this important difference.
Taliban commits atrocities and violates human rights..but so does a lot of war lords in Africa, lot of CIA trained contras in South America...they are no different..so using that moral argument that "oh I am here to save the women of Afghanistan" is not going to work here.. If you want real change, it has to be through people..The gross human rights violations committed by Taliban in Afghanistan when they were in power, it is for the people of Afghanistan to stand up and remove them..they will not succeed easily..they will die, more atrocities will be committed..but that's the way of the world..Foreign invasion or intrusion is not the answer.
As far as today's Taliban is concerned..this is simply the by product of the invasion..hence those who orchestrated the occupation and those who support the invasion should be tried for human rights violations and all the atrocities being committed today....
Most people tend to think that things happen suddenly
in this world..Nothing in this world happens suddenly..Pakistan is a country that had pop singers like Nazia Hasan in the 80s..Pakistan voted for Benazir Bhutto.. Now suddenly this nation has become this zombie land full of religious crazies lusting for American blood...well that might happen in bad zombie movies..does not happen in real life..
Everything happens organically..try to understand that different causes and effect..when you read a headline on BBC saying "US bombing on hospital..8 killed"..try to understand the reverberations of those
You watched the Dark Knight right? Harvey Dent? Joker? Rachel? Two Face? ring a bell?
Now add the Taliban ideology of hatred of 'unbelievers and westerners' to that...
It should make sense.