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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Odds based on number of competitors from a region presupposes that each team has an equal chance of winning, something that is quite unquestionably false so your whole argument is flawed.
    I am not saying that the individual teams have equal chance of winning the World Cup, I am saying that I because they have had the largest proportion of place at a World Cup there is a greater probability that UEFA as a region will have the best team at the World Cup than other regions
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    Quote Originally Posted by andruid View Post
    I am not saying that the individual teams have equal chance of winning the World Cup, I am saying that I because they have had the largest proportion of place at a World Cup there is a greater probability that UEFA as a region will have the best team at the World Cup than other regions
    If the best teams are European then there’s a greater probability that a European side will win the World Cup. Guess what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andruid View Post
    I am not saying that the individual teams have equal chance of winning the World Cup, I am saying that I because they have had the largest proportion of place at a World Cup there is a greater probability that UEFA as a region will have the best team at the World Cup than other regions
    South America has better teams than Africa or Asia despite similar representation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post

    Pretty much every team defended like that at the time. That was football. And the South Americans were known for being the dirtiest at it.
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    If this was some conspiracy against the Brazilians of 1966, then the culprits to emerge from that group (Portugal) didn't gain anything ultimately considering England knocked them out in the semi-finals and went on to win the entire thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpr View Post
    Pretty much every team defended like that at the time. That was football. And the South Americans were known for being the dirtiest at it.
    Not so much Brazil, tbf. But there's a lot of truth in your comment. Argentina and Uruguay weren't renowned for taking many prisoners, ditto Chile in the previous WC. And then there were the notorious world club championship matches between the winners of the European Cup and the South American Championship in the late 1960s. What Celtic and Man Utd had to take in those matches was unbelievable.

    England played a mini-tournament over in South America a year or two before the 1966 WC. Pele ran riot against our boys; it may have finished 5-1, or something along those lines. When Brazil played Argentina, Pele was taking so much physical abuse that he ended up rearranging the nasal features of one of the Argentina defenders and being sent off. Typical refereeing of the time, of course; the defenders could do whatever they wanted and the attacking players just had to put up with it.

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    That's why I don't think retaliation should be a red card unless the retaliation is uneccesarily violent. If a defender clatters a forward late then I think retaliating with a kick or 'accidentally' standing on your opponent is fair game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    I think Europe have been producing much better technical midfielders than the SA teams for a while now, and it is starting to show. Since '94, Brazil have been trying to get away with playing water-carriers and spoilers in midfield and Argentina haven't had a great one since the Aimar/Riquelme days, and they couldn't get over the line with those guys. All the top European teams are pretty well stocked with good central midfielders who can dictate games.
    Brazil went out to a Fellaini-Witsel midfield.

    I think youíre overfitting. Argentina had an unusually weak side but reached the final last time, and Brazil didnít get the rub of the green against another strong team. The only other major historical South American power is Uruguay, who are still massively overperforming given their size etc. I donít think much has changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Brazil went out to a Fellaini-Witsel midfield.

    I think you’re overfitting. Argentina had an unusually weak side but reached the final last time, and Brazil didn’t get the rub of the green against another strong team. The only other major historical South American power is Uruguay, who are still massively overperforming given their size etc. I don’t think much has changed.
    Nah he's got a point about midfielders. For years Brazil have either produced good defensive mids or number 10s. I can't remember the last great Brazilian midfielder who I'd compare style wise to a Xavi, Iniesta, Kroos, Pirlo, Scholes from Europe, or even Riquelme or Redondo from Argentina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Nah he's got a point about midfielders. For years Brazil have either produced good defensive mids or number 10s. I can't remember the last great Brazilian midfielder who I'd compare style wise to a Xavi, Iniesta, Kroos, Pirlo, Scholes from Europe, or even Riquelme or Redondo from Argentina.
    Probably have to go back to Socrates to find a great midfielder from Brazil who wasn't a holding one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Brazil went out to a Fellaini-Witsel midfield.

    I think you’re overfitting. Argentina had an unusually weak side but reached the final last time, and Brazil didn’t get the rub of the green against another strong team. The only other major historical South American power is Uruguay, who are still massively overperforming given their size etc. I don’t think much has changed.
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    Nah he's got a point about midfielders. For years Brazil have either produced good defensive mids or number 10s. I can't remember the last great Brazilian midfielder who I'd compare style wise to a Xavi, Iniesta, Kroos, Pirlo, Scholes from Europe, or even Riquelme or Redondo from Argentina.
    Yeah, this was more what I was trying to say. Definitely possible I could be drawing too long a bow with the general point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Nah he's got a point about midfielders. For years Brazil have either produced good defensive mids or number 10s. I can't remember the last great Brazilian midfielder who I'd compare style wise to a Xavi, Iniesta, Kroos, Pirlo, Scholes from Europe, or even Riquelme or Redondo from Argentina.
    Pretty high bar you’re setting tbf. Casemiro, Fernandinho and Coutinho are all still very good, certainly better than the current England or Italy midfields.

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