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    Ha, watched Alien 3 last night with Brian Glover in, great actor.

    The game being ruined by the rain sums up England's winter.



    Ouch, just looked and Brian Glover died 17 years ago. Makes you feel old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Disagree, I think this match just ended too early to say either side deserved a win.
    Quite probably right, but I'm more comfortable with there being a result. Easy to say as a Kiwi but no one was about to be killed by lightning, so staying out there to get to a point where there was a result seemed fair enough to me. If they're standing out there with metal rods in their hands, fair enough

    Broad can sook all he wants but if he goes for less than 10 off the over, and England wins, I'm not certain he would've kept the same stance in a meteorological sense. Another piece of bibliography for the Stuart Broad is a hypocrite story

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Lovely 1970's reference, which must have been wasted on 95% of CWers. Ironically I think the punchline in that episode was that the Bulgaria vs England match was rained off too.

    As for Broad, yup he'll be in trouble, but his comments were spot on.
    I'm not a fan of punishing Broad for his comments, but his comments were wrong.

    They played the 5 overs and England had not taken enough wickets or stemmed the run rate enough to win. Had he said "5 overs isn't enough to constitute a game" I would have agree with him, but that's not what he said. He was saying that it was even after 4 overs, and the last over cost them the game.

    What's unfair about the last over costing England the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    As for Broad, yup he'll be in trouble, but his comments were spot on.
    Rubbish. Here's a direct quote: 'I think it was distinctly average decision-making keeping us on after the first lightning strike at the start of the fifth over, keeping us on throughout that," Broad said. "That over has obviously given us a loss.'

    The fact that his over went for 16 had near-zero to do with how dangerous lightning is, at least in a physical sense. The rain, perhaps, but his bowling action wasn't tilted off axis by a lightning bolt. I imagine his reasoning would be mentally he felt they should come off, but that's probably largely circumstantial on the game situation as opposed to his stance on dangerous weather. Would anyone honestly think that if his over had gone for three, knocked over McCullum and England had won that he'd still have said 'we should've gone off?' Especially if it was early in the over that the wicket came, he'd be staying out there every day of the week to get a result.

    He then goes on to say the crowds safety should've been paramount - hilarious. Fairly certain the crowd can sort themselves out for taking cover without an umpire's decision. Nice you thought of them though Stuart.

    I agree with Hendrix in that 5 overs perhaps shouldn't constitute a game but that wasn't his angle.

    And yes, that over did give them a loss because he got pumped twice over the ropes. As Hendrix also said, what's the unfair part there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    I'm not a fan of punishing Broad for his comments, but his comments were wrong.

    They played the 5 overs and England had not taken enough wickets or stemmed the run rate enough to win. Had he said "5 overs isn't enough to constitute a game" I would have agree with him, but that's not what he said. He was saying that it was even after 4 overs, and the last over cost them the game.

    What's unfair about the last over costing England the game?
    I believe his point was that they should not have played the last over when lightning had already been sighted? Arguing that play should have stopped then, and the lightning was visible before the end of the 5th over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNZ View Post
    The fact that his over went for 16 had near-zero to do with how dangerous lightning is, at least in a physical sense. The rain, perhaps, but his bowling action wasn't tilted off axis by a lightning bolt. I imagine his reasoning would be mentally he felt they should come off, but that's probably largely circumstantial on the game situation as opposed to his stance on dangerous weather. Would anyone honestly think that if his over had gone for three, knocked over McCullum and England had won that he'd still have said 'we should've gone off?' Especially if it was early in the over that the wicket came, he'd be staying out there every day of the week to get a result.
    Yes this is a good point, no doubt they would not have complained had they ended up winning.

    Taking this game out of it though and just looking at the issue alone, I do think players need to go off for lightning immediately. IMO it is unsettling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Lovely 1970's reference, which must have been wasted on 95% of CWers. Ironically I think the punchline in that episode was that the Bulgaria vs England match was rained off too.
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    IIRC Brian Glover (RIP) shouts "England won 2-0" as our heroes exit stage left after pursuing a beer.

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    One of the greatest pieces of British sitcom history that episode. Fantastic.


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    Ha, watched Alien 3 last night with Brian Glover in, great actor.
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    Ouch, just looked and Brian Glover died 17 years ago. Makes you feel old.
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    Just saw Broad's twitter. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Yes this is a good point, no doubt they would not have complained had they ended up winning.

    Taking this game out of it though and just looking at the issue alone, I do think players need to go off for lightning immediately. IMO it is unsettling.
    Absolutely there is a need to have an ICC policy on it, just as they do with rain etc. Otherwise there's a grey area as there was here.

    Not aware if Brendon did a presser but I haven't heard him too critical of the decision to play on, despite Broad's insistence they were going to bring both sides off. Stuey should've said he believed they should've gone off, there should be a policy on lightning, 5 overs is a bit mickey mouse to constitute a game but gee it's a shame I keep getting humped for sixes in T20 World events and that's probably why we lost in the end. Least this over went for 20 less than his high water mark.

    Only thing I'd agree with Broad on is that being fined for what he said is pathetic. Unless I've missed something he only said it was average decision-making, yes? Same as he'd say an umpire got it wrong for not giving out a nick off a teenaged left-arm orthodox that veers at left angles to slip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNZ View Post
    Only thing I'd agree with Broad on is that being fined for what he said is pathetic. Unless I've missed something he only said it was average decision-making, yes? Same as he'd say an umpire got it wrong for not giving out a nick off a teenaged left-arm orthodox that veers at left angles to slip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNZ View Post

    Same as he'd say an umpire got it wrong for not giving out a nick off a teenaged left-arm orthodox that veers at left angles to slip.
    He did, and just ftr.......it got to first slip via a bigger nick off Brad Haddins gloves than Broads bat..

    That clarified, I do agree with your comments on Broad over this incident. It was a stupid thing to say and whilst I don't think it warranted a fine it certainly warrants the stick he's been getting over it.

    It's a **** way to lose a game but of course there is no doubt that if the situations were reversed then Broads concern for the players and supporters would have been diluted somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adders View Post
    He did, and just ftr.......it got to first slip via a bigger nick off Brad Haddins gloves than Broads bat..

    That clarified, I do agree with your comments on Broad over this incident. It was a stupid thing to say and whilst I don't think it warranted a fine it certainly warrants the stick he's been getting over it.

    It's a **** way to lose a game but of course there is no doubt that if the situations were reversed then Broads concern for the players and supporters would have been diluted somewhat.
    Quite right on the gloves, I just thought the left angles thing suited my post better.

    Yeah it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine, such one-eyed viewpoints on incidents, and even more so when an obedient (usually local) media picks it up and runs with it without challenge.

    Poor old Stuey, the lil lamb spent all winter running away from thunderbolts out of Johnson's hand and now he's got lightning and flash flooding to contend with as well. Someone tell him to stay away from Noah at the movie theatre (even ignoring that Russell Crowe is in it)
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