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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Bedwetter?

    I give up with this lot. Terrible selection.
    i think he will do a far better job than Hales who is a waste of space in the team imho..agree with the Egyptian that Samit Patel should be in the team as one of England's best players of spin- yes i know he is not atheltic but he does well....Good score from England today and shame the rain got involved in the decision of the game...
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    Haha Hales fails once and he's a waste of space?

    He has an excellent T20 record, both internationally and domestically. Really dodgy starter in all forms of the game but a real quality T20 player once he's faced a handful of deliveries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Haha Hales fails once and he's a waste of space?

    He has an excellent T20 record, both internationally and domestically. Really dodgy starter in all forms of the game but a real quality T20 player once he's faced a handful of deliveries.
    Haven't been watching much recently, how has he gone with the spin stuff on early on slow wickets?

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    With the current injuries, I'd be going something like:

    1. Lumb
    2. Hales
    3. Trego/Malan
    4. Moeen
    5. Bopara
    6. Buttler
    7. Woakes
    8. Napier
    9. Broad
    10. Jordan
    11. Tredwell

    How could you not love that 3-7?


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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Haven't been watching much recently, how has he gone with the spin stuff on early on slow wickets?
    He's gone okay; played 12 games in the subcontinent/WI now for an average of 26 and a strike rate of 120 which is all about the going rate for a mid-range T20I player, in the conditions least suited to him.

    Beyond the raw stats though I do think he's handled it better from a technical perspective than I expected him to which is why I defended him. He got out after getting set a few times in the West Indies which is uncharacteristic of him really but I thought it was encouraging overall that he handled those slow wickets and spin/cutter bowlers pretty well up front, given we know how well he goes after he gets in generally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    With the current injuries, I'd be going something like:

    1. Lumb
    2. Hales
    3. Trego/Malan
    4. Moeen
    5. Bopara
    6. Buttler
    7. Woakes
    8. Napier
    9. Broad
    10. Jordan
    11. Tredwell

    How could you not love that 3-7?
    Love me some Woakes but he's just not any good at T20 cricket at this point of his career. I'd much sooner pick Bresnan even though he's pretty average in general.

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    I'd definitely have Napier in the squad. Still the most reliable purveyor of yorkers we have and can smack a few down at 9 or 10 too.

    As Poos suggests about Woakes in the previous post, our selectors are too often guilty of selecting players for formats they're desperately ill-suited to. Even now a part of me thinks the England panel still views the shorter formats as auditions for the test XI rather than entities in and of themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Haha Hales fails once and he's a waste of space?

    He has an excellent T20 record, both internationally and domestically. Really dodgy starter in all forms of the game but a real quality T20 player once he's faced a handful of deliveries.
    its only fair for me to comment on the games that i have watched him play in- a handful- but in all of those he has failed to do anything..maybe he is going through a lean patch, but from what i have seen of both players, i would pick Kieswetter over him personally..
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    In all honesty I'd probably have both. With Broad, Bres, Jorders, Dernbach & Tredders I think our XI is very bowler heavy, especially when one factors in Ravi's and Moeen's not terrible part time options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    In all honesty I'd probably have both. With Broad, Bres, Jorders, Dernbach & Tredders I think our XI is very bowler heavy, especially when one factors in Ravi's and Moeen's not terrible part time options.
    Going in bowler-heavy is one thing I think England are getting right in T20 cricket IMO. If you bat well up front in a 20 over contest then your players below #7 won't see the light of day, and even if you do lose a few early wickets then they'll still be highly unlikely to need to actually play a substantial innings. I don't think the difference in batting quality between someone like Keiswetter and players like Bresnan and Jordan will really be shown up much at all over the length of an 8-ball cameo, so as long as your bowlers can hit then you don't lose much at all by having them start at seven. Having lots of bowling options, however, is a proven tactic - so often you'll need to cover a bowler's bad day when he loses his length or just gets lined up, and even if you don't then having a couple of part-timers bowl single over spells just for variety has also been a big winner in the format.

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    Specialist bowlers are hugely important in T20; there's plenty of part time dobbers who have servicable records in ODI cricket that get utterly rag-dolled in T20s.

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    i am big enough to admit when i am wrong and i recently commented on not rating hales from what i saw of him- i have been impressed with what i have seen from him so far today so i accept i may have been too quick to put him down...

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    Can someone pass me the custard for my almighty slice of humble pie regarding my initial comments on Hales?FANTASTIC innings from him (and Morgan) and a thoroughly deserved win for England. Well done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Haha Hales fails once and he's a waste of space?

    He has an excellent T20 record, both internationally and domestically. Really dodgy starter in all forms of the game but a real quality T20 player once he's faced a handful of deliveries.
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    lol good shout mate...

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