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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    10, tbf. 6 in 86, 4 in 90.

    Best goal scav we've had in my watching lifetime, but those of a certain age would say Greaves was better. 44 in 52, I believe.
    Greaves' strike rate was great, but a heck of a lot of those were in turkey shoots. Not so great in WCs, by some distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Greaves' strike rate was great, but a heck of a lot of those were in turkey shoots. Not so great in WCs, by some distance.
    Yeah, fair call.

    Although I'd guess the boy Gary's record was padded with pens (which I don't think Jimmy took for England) and the odd numpty nation. Got four versus Malaysia once, if memory serves.

    Greaves WC career was a minor tragedy, really. Injured at just the wrong moment, Hurst gets the winner versus the Argies and the rest is glory and medals to Geoffrey, Jimmy went out for a light ale to commiserate and woke up fifteen years later in a clinic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Yeah, fair call.

    Although I'd guess the boy Gary's record was padded with pens (which I don't think Jimmy took for England) and the odd numpty nation. Got four versus Malaysia once, if memory serves.

    Greaves WC career was a minor tragedy, really. Injured at just the wrong moment, Hurst gets the winner versus the Argies and the rest is glory and medals to Geoffrey, Jimmy went out for a light ale to commiserate and woke up fifteen years later in a clinic.
    I don't think there's much doubt that Greaves was the more gifted of the two. There's a couple of televised goals (against Newcastle and Man Utd IIRC) that clearly wouldn't have been in Lineker's repertoire, as they involved ghosting past a couple of defenders and the keeper before passing the ball into the empty net. Moore rated him really highly, which is generally good enough for me.

    He did play in 1962 as well. Maybe scored one goal in our four games? And I don't think he scored in any of the 3 group games in 1966. Of course, he didn't have the opportunity to play in any qualifiers beyond the Home Championship, where Lineker also put away some vital goals.
    So much of it is down to Dame Fortune, as you said about 1966. Lineker could easily have bee dropped after out first 2 games in 1986, and did nothing in 1988 when he wasn't fully fit. And that would it been that, and we wouldn't even be having the discussion.

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    I'd have Lineker and Gascoigne. Think we lack creativity and a proven finisher more than the fact that the defence is ok but not great.

    Only picking from my own nation to keep it more realistic or you would obviously go with Furby's original choice.


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    England need what they've always needed for the past 40 years;

    - a creative midfielder who can dictate the tempo of play and pass accurately. That is, to within a metre at any reasonable distance.
    - a creative defender who can readily turn defence into attack with decisive passing to the midfield.

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    Pelé and Bruce Grobbelaar. Greatest player of all time and the greatest keeper of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    Pelé and Bruce Grobbelaar. Greatest player of all time and the greatest keeper of all time.
    You have to be joking

    Even though I did see him pull off a wonder save from Dave Pullar right in front of me. Vital one as well, because the aggregate score was only 11-0.

    Not a bad 'pool side though, early days in the Rush-Dalglish partnership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    Pelé and Bruce Grobbelaar. Greatest player of all time and the greatest keeper of all time.
    Grobbelaar wasn't even the best keeper on merseyside in the 80's never mind the best of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Grobbelaar wasn't even the best keeper on merseyside in the 80's never mind the best of all time.
    Tbf we didn't sign Nixon until the late 80s
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Tbf we didn't sign Nixon until the late 80s
    Honestly I knew you'd say Nixon after that comment, I even looked him up on Wiki to wonder what time he was with you.

    Your like a Tranmere autobot
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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    He's criminally under-rated. I remember my son collecting footy cards before the last WC, and being quietly appalled that England's WC 'legends' included Shearer, but not Lineker.
    10 goals in WCs puts him way ahead of any other Englishman. As well as most players from anywhere else.
    Pretty disgraceful, Shearer only played in 1998 didn't he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    10, tbf. 6 in 86, 4 in 90.

    Best goal scav we've had in my watching lifetime, but those of a certain age would say Greaves was better. 44 in 52, I believe.
    44 in 57.

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    Andrea Pirlo in the midfield for England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Pretty disgraceful, Shearer only played in 1998 didn't he?
    Yup. 2 goals in 4 games IIRC.

    Fair do's if they were selecting Euros legends, but not WCs.
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    Was annoying him retiring from England when he did.

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