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    Sterling actually took the ball before he hit Valencia. Now, we all know since football became a non-contact sport, such tackles are generally fouls and usually cards too, but it did deaden his momentum and that screen shoot looks infinitely worse than it actually was.
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    You must be kidding T_C, seriously. Surely you've seen that image before the actual footage because it is really deceiving. It's more understandable than the rant about it ending Valencia's career . Here's the video, from 44 seconds on there is a slow mo of the tackle exactly at the angle of the photo.



    That's a yellow, max. Pretty common kind of tackle in the EPL TBF. Valencia probably just overly scared because it's so close to the WC and he wouldn't want to be injured for any little tackle. Unnecessary for Sterling to slide, but nothing really that malicious to get that kind of reaction.
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    He's just not that type of player.

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    So Sterling has taken tips from Scholes how to tackle. So what. Far more concerned about the injury to Ox. Looks a bad one which might be a longterm one too. Pray I am wrong but can't see him being in the world cup.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    So Sterling has taken tips from Scholes how to tackle. So what. Far more concerned about the injury to Ox. Looks a bad one which might be a longterm one too. Pray I am wrong but can't see him being in the world cup.
    Sod's law isn't it. By some distance our best player on the night looks like he's picked up a bad one that'll keep him out of the WC.

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    They should just have a proper fight so we could watch Sterling get pumped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    You must be kidding T_C, seriously. Surely you've seen that image before the actual footage because it is really deceiving. It's more understandable than the rant about it ending Valencia's career . Here's the video, from 44 seconds on there is a slow mo of the tackle exactly at the angle of the photo.



    That's a yellow, max. Pretty common kind of tackle in the EPL TBF. Valencia probably just overly scared because it's so close to the WC and he wouldn't want to be injured for any little tackle. Unnecessary for Sterling to slide, but nothing really that malicious to get that kind of reaction.
    Absolute bollocks is it a yellow max, it's a clear red and if it had been done by someone like Rooney or Jones rather than a Liverpool player you'd have been saying that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Absolute bollocks is it a yellow max, it's a clear red and if it had been done by someone like Rooney or Jones rather than a Liverpool player you'd have been saying that.
    You don't half talk ****. Sterling gets the ball and his trailing leg gets Valencia on the follow-through. Max yellow.



    This is dirty though and more likely to have injured a player:



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    This is a lot like the time Steven Gerrard went to make a song request and his trailing arm caught the DJ on the follow-through.

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    Saw it a couple of times. Red was harsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Sterling actually took the ball before he hit Valencia. Now, we all know since football became a non-contact sport, such tackles are generally fouls and usually cards too, but it did deaden his momentum and that screen shoot looks infinitely worse than it actually was.
    Yeah but my point from my last post still stands. So he got the ball, but if he hadn't (and no-one can actually guarantee getting the ball before making a challenge) then the tackle is dangerous. I mean, I'm sure we've all seen and agreed with sendings off before where the ball has been played. I recall a two footed, studs up challenge that actually got the ball rightly receiving a red card in a Crystal Palace vs Hull game this year, although annoyingly I can't remember who it actually was. I just don't think what the end result of a challenge was is particularly relevant to assessing how dangerous a tackle is. The logical conclusion of that would be that all tackles that don't cause an injury are fine and all tackles that do are red cards.

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    Literally every tackle is a few inches away from being dangerous. That it wasn't is exactly why it wasn't a red. The ref seemed to be swayed into sending him off based on Valencia's overreaction. This is a non-argument, it wasn't even the worst tackle in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    Literally every tackle is a few inches away from being dangerous. That it wasn't is exactly why it wasn't a red.
    A tackle that isn't "dangerous" in the sense that it's not high, studs up etc can break a leg, yeah. Not denying that, and for clarity I'm certainly not saying that these tackles should also be banned. They are just unfortunate.

    Conversely it is also possible as we know to make a dangerous challenge that doesn't have any consequences, just as it is also possible to bowl a beamer in cricket and not injure someone, and it's possible to drink and drive without causing an accident. They are still banned though, whatever the consequences; we don't say that because nothing bad happened means the act was fine in either of those two cases.

    Sterling's tackle fits all the usual descriptions of a dangerous tackle other than being two-footed.

    My last post on this anyway as my last three posts have all basically been the same point worded differently so it's going round in circles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Sterling actually took the ball before he hit Valencia. Now, we all know since football became a non-contact sport, such tackles are generally fouls and usually cards too, but it did deaden his momentum and that screen shoot looks infinitely worse than it actually was.
    I agree with this, but it's so horrendously inappropriate in a pre-World Cup friendly that I think the ref made the right call. It's hard to believe that Sterling didn't have the United/Liverpool connection in mind when he decided to fly in so unnecessarily, and had Valencia done it to Sterling the English media would quite fairly be absolutely furious.

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    Ox 10 days - 3 weeks. Sorry but he has to be sent home, players don't play well at world cups with injuries. To replace him i'd call up Stones as I have no faith in Smalling or Jones.

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