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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Euro 2000. They were ****e in 2002 and 2004, Zidane carried them singlehandedly in 2006 and they've been **** since.
    In the Zidane era (1996-2006), France were really only poor at WC 2002.
    They were pretty decent in the group stages in Euro 2004 , they topped their pool - just had an off game against Greece in the knockout.

    And while Zizou was undoubtedly brilliant in 2006 ( better imo than in 1998), It's stupid to suggest that he was the sole reason that France got to the final.
    Malouda and Ribery were both very good in that tournament - and the defense led by Makalele and Thuram was quite impressive.

    The rot really set in post 2006.
    I do think that Deschamps is assembling a pretty good squad though - the team came through a tricky qualifier against an underrated Ukraine and they have started to really gel of late.
    Zinedine Zidane is the greatest footballer ever !

    Richard Dickinson - you little beauty !!!!

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    Bit of revisionism going on about Zidane in 06. He was turd in the group stages, immense in the knockouts and then arguably cost them the final

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    He was basically manager as well though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Bit of revisionism going on about Zidane in 06. He was turd in the group stages, immense in the knockouts and then arguably cost them the final

    If anything, it's his role in the 1998 triumph that's bit overstated. I think Zizou was better in 2006 and Euro 2000 than he was in 1998.

    IN 2006, he practically owned Spain and Brazil in the knockouts and was solid against Portugal in the semi.
    Even in the final against the Italians, he was excellent up till he was sent off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salamuddin View Post
    If anything, it's his role in the 1998 triumph that's bit overstated. I think Zizou was better in 2006 and Euro 2000 than he was in 1998.

    IN 2006, he practically owned Spain and Brazil in the knockouts and was solid against Portugal in the semi.
    Even in the final against the Italians, he was excellent up till he was sent off.
    None of that negates anything I said, though iirc he served a 2 match ban in 98 so won't disagree on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salamuddin View Post
    If anything, it's his role in the 1998 triumph that's bit overstated. I think Zizou was better in 2006 and Euro 2000 than he was in 1998.
    Is the correct answer.

    Zidane's 2006 World Cup is 2nd only to Baggio's 1994 tournament in terms of great individual tournaments in my living memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Is the correct answer.

    Zidane's 2006 World Cup is 2nd only to Baggio's 1994 tournament in terms of great individual tournaments in my living memory.
    Then your living memory is poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Current odds on skybet:

    Brazil 3/1
    Argentina 9/2
    Spain 11/2
    Germany 11/2
    Belgium 18/1
    France 22/1
    England 25/1
    Portugal 25/1
    Holland 25/1
    Colombia 25/1
    Italy 25/1
    Uruguay 33/1
    Chile 40/1
    Russia 100/1
    Ivory Coast 125/1

    You can get better odds almost everywhere else but that gives you the idea. Spain at 13/2 looks the best bet to me. A lot of people seem to think tiki-taka has been solved but I'm not convinced many international teams can deal with it, especially not in that heat and with an actual striker this time.

    Argentina are an OK bet too considering it's their home continent, they have a lot of brilliant players and the coach seems to have it together for once.
    Italy definitely worth a punt at 25/1. Don't know why they are being underrated so much (even with Montolivo's injury) - they have a squad with good all round strength and a capable manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Then your living memory is poor.
    Forgot about Ronaldo 1998, bloke was frightening that tournament.

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    Pirlo at the last Euros was better than Zidane in 06
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Bit of revisionism going on about Zidane in 06. He was turd in the group stages, immense in the knockouts and then arguably cost them the final
    Nah he didn't cost them the final.

    I don't think it's revisionism, people just think dominating Spain, Brazil and Portugal overshadows poor games against South Korea and Switzerland. The memories people have about one player carrying a team are pretty much always total bull but I don't think this is one of the worst.
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    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Pirlo at the last Euros was better than Zidane in 06
    More important to his team perhaps, but not necessarily "better" imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Nah he didn't cost them the final.

    I don't think it's revisionism, people just think dominating Spain, Brazil and Portugal overshadows poor games against South Korea and Switzerland. The memories people have about one player carrying a team are pretty much always total bull but I don't think this is one of the worst.
    Which is all well and good but to be one of the ATG tournament performances you need more than 3 good games

    I said he arguably cost them the final because we will never know. But it's not like a mistimed tackle, or a Suarez V Ghana. He got sent off for a mindless headbutt and that alone is a huge black mark over his tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    More important to his team perhaps, but not necessarily "better" imo.
    Nah it's both in this case

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Nah he didn't cost them the final.

    I don't think it's revisionism, people just think dominating Spain, Brazil and Portugal overshadows poor games against South Korea and Switzerland. The memories people have about one player carrying a team are pretty much always total bull but I don't think this is one of the worst.
    I think this is often a terminological thing and down to careless use of language. Obviously in 2006 it was not really a case of being "all Zidane", and anything good France doing being attributable to him. But I honestly believe that but for Zidane they wouldn't have reached the final, and I don't think that's too much of a stretch to claim. This is perhaps a superficial analysis, as you could apply the same logic to most things that happen anyway (i.e. X would not have happened if Y did not do Z), but Zidane's contribution was truly significant imo, which is probably where talk of him carrying the team comes from.

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