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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Taffarel was up there. There were some good keepers around though.
    He was good, but I don't think there was ever any suggestion he was in the same bracket as the best of his peers. I'd have rated Toldo, Canizares, Van der Sar, Seaman, Schmeichel, Khan, Lehmann and possibly even Barthez and de Goey as being comfortably better than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    In some cases surely it's just big tournament nerves etc. I mean if you judged purely off performances in major tournaments you'd think Cech was a pretty average keeper. Pretty easy for one mistake to sour a whole performance in a short tournament etc.
    Well you'd think he was an absolute monster in 2004 before trailing off once he got his scrum cap, which isn't a million miles from the truth.

    Ecuador keeper was great tonight.

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    I always thought him too error-prone and rated too highly for his goalscoring (not the priority for a 'keeper) but in the late '90s Chilavert was ranked among the very best.

    Going way back, there's Gilmar. But yeah, there are relatively speaking far fewer great South American 'keepers than any other position.
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    Have there been any of the de rigeur "Messi has been **** for vast parts of the game" posts today?

    Because I thought his job is to score goals, and he's bagged four in three digs, which ain't too shabby really.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Have there been any of the de rigeur "Messi has been **** for vast parts of the game" posts today?

    Because I thought his job is to score goals, and he's bagged four in three digs, which ain't too shabby really.
    It's been the opposite over here from what I can tell. The commentators literally called him a "deity" earlier on. Hate it when people say crap like that, it's just as annoying as those people who constantly bag on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
    I always thought him too error-prone and rated too highly for his goalscoring (not the priority for a 'keeper) but in the late '90s Chilavert was ranked among the very best.

    Going way back, there's Gilmar. But yeah, there are relatively speaking far fewer great South American 'keepers than any other position.
    There are even fewer African ones. Thomas N'kono seems to be the most highly rated African keeper of all time. I can't really think of any other African goalkeepers who have really gained any recognition. Carlos Kameni is quite decent I suppose.

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    Aye it is.

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    Disappointing, we were way too defensive. It's as if Queiroz forgot we needed to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    It's not just been errors though, which could be put down to nerves. Some of the keepers just look like they've not been coached properly. That Barry guy who dived out of the way of the ball last night being a prime example of this sort of thing.

    Like I said, there are exceptions to this rather unfortunate general rule, but it's seemed to me that the majority of really suspect pieces of keeping, and not just errors that have directly lead to goals, have come from non-European sides. I'm not deliberately picking on them, but that's really how it's seemed to me.

    In any case, my comments weren't meant to be exclusively confined to the World Cup. Teams from Africa and South America in particular haven't had any trouble with producing world class players, but when has any nation from outside Europe produced a goalkeeper who would at the very least arguably be one of the best players in the world in his position at his time of playing? Without being extremely generous I'm not sure I could think of one off the top of my head.
    Be interesting to see how many have been playing regular football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    Bad keeping when you see it en masse annoys me though, it really does stand out far more than crap defending or attacking. One off errors, even really bad ones, happen to even the best of players but what we've seen in this tournament is an epidemic of really poor performances. These are meant to be international footballers on display here, but a lot of the duffers we've seen would be substandard in the Championship.
    The keepers really need to start asking themselves "What would Bruce Grobbelaar do?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    There are even fewer African ones. Thomas N'kono seems to be the most highly rated African keeper of all time. I can't really think of any other African goalkeepers who have really gained any recognition. Carlos Kameni is quite decent I suppose.
    Grobelaar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Grobelaar.
    He was good in the Hansie Cronje mould though.

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