**Official** Semis and Final Thread - Page 27

NasserFan207 · 07-10-2012, 01:06 PM

Amazing win. Top stuff by Marlon, he's turned into a world class batsman

Burgey · 07-10-2012, 01:32 PM

Lol Lanka.

Yet everyone says South Africa are chokers. How many finals for how many second places is it now?

Well done Windies. Certainly put in great semi and final performances.

Jono · 07-10-2012, 01:40 PM

Well SA don't make the finals so... What is worse? Both pretty bad at it

Burgey · 07-10-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jono

Well SA don't make the finals so... What is worse? Both pretty bad at it

Traditional definition of choking is more like SL though. Get to the big show and perform poorly, a la Greg Norman.

Jono · 07-10-2012, 01:55 PM

True but It also involves being better than your opponents but losing it due to mental frailties. Traditionally this has applied more to SA - perfect example being their loss to NZ in '11 wc quarter final. Lanka weren't better than Aus in '07 and Ind in '11. Debateable if they were better than pak in t20 09. They were better than WI on home turf here though so this certainly was a choke though for sure. The way Sanga and Mahela batted screamed of fear.

8ankitj · 07-10-2012, 01:58 PM

Just saw the scorecard after WI were some 30 runs in 8 overs. Astonishing win. Can't believe SL lost it from the start they got.

Congrats West Indies!

8ankitj · 07-10-2012, 02:00 PM

South Africa has never won ANY knock out match ever in a world cup, and they bottle it up after being in winning situation. I don't think this is true of SL. They have just run into better teams in finals (except today perhaps). South Africa still the ace chokers, and only real one in cricket IMO.

Burgey · 07-10-2012, 02:37 PM

But SL had the winning if this match too. I suppose it depends what you call choking.

Cabinet96 · 07-10-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

But SL had the winning if this match too. I suppose it depends what you call choking.

Yeah, I don't think anyone is denying that this was a choke. But a lot of their other recent ones clearly weren't, like the 07 WC final.

South Africa, on the other hand, have had some truly dreadful ones in the past. Obviously the 99 and 2011 WC's stand out, but they were awesome in the 09 World T20 as well and blew it. And, I didn't see their loss to India in the 07 World T20, but I've heard they backed out of the chase and just tried to get the score they needed to go through, only to fall short.

That's proper bottling it.

wellAlbidarned · 07-10-2012, 05:34 PM

OK I'll stop calling WI the Cracking Chris Gayle and Sensational Sunil Narine + 9

smalishah84 · 07-10-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cabinet96

Yeah, I don't think anyone is denying that this was a choke. But a lot of their other recent ones clearly weren't, like the 07 WC final.

South Africa, on the other hand, have had some truly dreadful ones in the past. Obviously the 99 and 2011 WC's stand out, but they were awesome in the 09 World T20 as well and blew it. And, I didn't see their loss to India in the 07 World T20, but I've heard they backed out of the chase and just tried to get the score they needed to go through, only to fall short.

That's proper bottling it.

This

Dissector · 08-10-2012, 12:20 AM

I don't think SL's previous three finals were chokes. They punched above their weight to reach the finals and then were beaten by better teams. This one was a choke though perhaps not as big as it looked at first sight. In hindsight 137 was more than a par score and batting was quite difficult. Ultimately SL was blindsided by a staggering innings by Samuels. His counter-attack against Malinga is the stuff of legend, right up there with Kallicharan against Lillee in 1975.

Lostman · 08-10-2012, 09:23 AM

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Last years final kula dropped Gambir, and today he spills Samuals.

Kulasekera the goat imo.

Spikey · 11-10-2012, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jono

Well SA don't make the finals so... What is worse? Both pretty bad at it

The plan to deliberately lose wickets to Doherty so as to ensure Australia's ultimate failure was a rip roaring success though, so it wasn't all bad from their point of view.

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Jono Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virat Kohli Posts: 47,559	True but It also involves being better than your opponents but losing it due to mental frailties. Traditionally this has applied more to SA - perfect example being their loss to NZ in '11 wc quarter final. Lanka weren't better than Aus in '07 and Ind in '11. Debateable if they were better than pak in t20 09. They were better than WI on home turf here though so this certainly was a choke though for sure. The way Sanga and Mahela batted screamed of fear. Last edited by Jono; 07-10-2012 at 01:57 PM.

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Jono Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virat Kohli Posts: 47,559	Well SA don't make the finals so... What is worse? Both pretty bad at it

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8ankitj International Captain Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hyderabad India Posts: 5,148	Just saw the scorecard after WI were some 30 runs in 8 overs. Astonishing win. Can't believe SL lost it from the start they got. Congrats West Indies!

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8ankitj International Captain Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hyderabad India Posts: 5,148	South Africa has never won ANY knock out match ever in a world cup, and they bottle it up after being in winning situation. I don't think this is true of SL. They have just run into better teams in finals (except today perhaps). South Africa still the ace chokers, and only real one in cricket IMO.

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Burgey Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Castle Posts: 35,161	But SL had the winning if this match too. I suppose it depends what you call choking.

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Dissector International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 2,102	I don't think SL's previous three finals were chokes. They punched above their weight to reach the finals and then were beaten by better teams. This one was a choke though perhaps not as big as it looked at first sight. In hindsight 137 was more than a par score and batting was quite difficult. Ultimately SL was blindsided by a staggering innings by Samuels. His counter-attack against Malinga is the stuff of legend, right up there with Kallicharan against Lillee in 1975.

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