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Interested to see what Dernbach's RR in the last five overs is compared to tournament average.
If we're playing 3 seamers then Bresnan, Broad, Finn is a far better combination - the only game England won against non-minnows, and look who wasn't playing?
Look into his T20I career with any detail and it's extremely noticeable that there's a strong correlation between him getting good figures and the opposition being into the lower order at the death. In fact I'd say he's only once performed when that hasn't been the situation.
TBF, we don't scout County cricket for bowlers. If Dernbach is kept on being picked then other's aren't going to get a chance. It maybe someone like Liddle, who is a specialist and crap at first class. Topley, Ashraf, Roland-Jones, Saxleby or Pyrah all had decent seasons last year in t20.
May all be rubbish, but we know Jade is, so won't be costing us.
Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.
Teams need positive, aggresive, combative personalities. Anybody can prosper when they're in form. The real test of players is when they're not. Bopara, Harmison seemed to have mental brakedowns when out of form. Mentally resillient players like Cook or Broad battled through and broke out the other end better players.
Yes it's a judgement i've made and it may be wrong but I think Dernbach has the correct personality traits to prosper. He also has the basic physical characteristics. It's not like he's 5'9'' and bowling 80mph with a few decent slower balls but tries hard.
Yes he's not the finished article and he does stupid stuff but you compare him to Bresnan or Woakes. There's no chance these guys are going to be world class international ODI/T20 bowlers. Their potential career peaks are sufficiently less than that of Dernbach and even at the moment they are worse bowlers than Dernbach
For the record, went through and looked at all games between non-minnows, and looked at all the run-rates for innings where the batsmen were likely still going hell to leather all the way through.
Matches where a team won with more than two overs to spare I discounted.
The average run rate throughout the tournament so far in the last 5 overs has been 8.96. Dernbach's economy rate in this same time of the game (to be fair, each time he's bowled in this period, he's bowled overs 18 and 20, which may be attacked a bit more than 16 or 17, but still) is 12.33.
For the record, when Bresnan came in and bowled those same two overs, he went for 21 from his two.
T20: Dernbach E/R 8.34 (8.66 in domestic only), Woakes E/R 8.08 (7.99 in domestic), Bresnan E/R 7.36 (7.32 in domestic)
List A: Dernbach E/R 6.03 (6.08 in domestic), Woakes E/R 5.39 (5.40 in domestic), Bresnan E/R 5.13 (5.00 in domestic)
In addition, 2 of the 3 can bat...
zzz not as relevant as international stats. All 3 came in to first class cricket at a very young age but dernbach has bowled at the death nearly his whole career. He didn't really ever have a bedding in period like Woakes or Bresnan who would have been third or fourth bowlers. Also he plays at the high scoring Oval as compared to Edgbaston or Headingly. He didn't play for England U-19, his improvement has come later in the career.
You also conveniently leave out strike rate and average. you can make statistics look what you like. some need context.
Oh, and since you asked:
S/R: Dernbach 20.3 (21.3 in domestic), Woakes 19.9 (19.4 in domestic), Bresnan 22.3 (20.5 in domestic)
Average: Dernbach 28.27 (30.68 in domestic), Woakes 26.77 (25.87 in domestic), Bresnan 27.31 (24.96 in domestic)
So in all 3 he's worse and he can't bat for toffee.
Those from outside of India / Pakistan - sorry guys, you will probably not understand the language or the context.
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