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    Semi-related tangent: what's Patto jr like as T20 bowler? His BB is pretty decent.

    Actually Pattinson sr must soon re-qualify for Oz too if he hasn't already. Think it was 2008 when he played his only test.

    Could theoretically see both playing for 'Strayla.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    McKay is a dire T20 bowler. I didn't like the Doherty selection either but why McKay was the third seamer in the squad in the first place is beyond me.
    Incorrect. Clint McKay is one of histories best T20 bowlers. Even though the conditions were spin friendly, CM is not the type of bowler to leak huge runs per over. McKay, Hilfenhaus, McDermott, Bollinger would have all been better options against WI compared to the mediocre Doherty spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Incorrect. Clint McKay is one of histories best T20 bowlers. Even though the conditions were spin friendly, CM is not the type of bowler to leak huge runs per over.
    Australian cricketers who go for less runs per over than McKay in T20 cricket:

    Mitchell Starc
    Shane Watson
    Pat Cummins
    Ryan Harris
    Ben Hilfenhaus
    Brad Hogg
    Mitchell Johnson
    Doug Bollinger
    Nathan Hauritz
    Steve O'Keefe
    John Wayne Hastings
    Xavier Doherty
    James Pattinson
    Peter Siddle
    Dan Christian
    Glenn Maxwell
    Dirk Nannes
    Dave Hussey
    Steve Smith
    Ben Laughlin
    Mitch Marsh
    James Faulkner
    Mike Hussey
    Chris Swan
    Jayde Herrick
    Luke Doran
    Aaron O'Brien
    Chris Lynn
    Michael Beer
    Nathan Lyon
    Aaron Heal
    Josh Hazelwood
    Kane Richardson
    Alister McDermott
    Michael Hogan
    Matt Johnston
    Nathan Rimmington
    Dom Thornely
    Jason Krejza


    And probably a stack more; I got bored eventually. I'm not saying they're all better T20 bowlers than him, but the sheer volume of the list (which isn't even finished in all likelihood) tends to suggest that McKay keeping it tight in T20 cricket is a myth. He bowls length pies; if there's one good thing T20 cricket has brought to the world, it's an environment in which that sort of bowling gets punished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Semi-related tangent: what's Patto jr like as T20 bowler? His BB is pretty decent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Australian cricketers who go for less runs per over than McKay in T20 cricket:

    Mitchell Starc
    Shane Watson
    Pat Cummins
    Ryan Harris
    Ben Hilfenhaus
    Brad Hogg
    Mitchell Johnson
    Doug Bollinger
    Nathan Hauritz
    Steve O'Keefe
    John Wayne Hastings
    Xavier Doherty
    James Pattinson
    Peter Siddle
    Dan Christian
    Glenn Maxwell
    Dirk Nannes
    Dave Hussey
    Steve Smith
    Ben Laughlin
    Mitch Marsh
    James Faulkner
    Mike Hussey
    Chris Swan
    Jayde Herrick
    Luke Doran
    Aaron O'Brien
    Chris Lynn
    Michael Beer
    Nathan Lyon
    Aaron Heal
    Josh Hazelwood
    Kane Richardson
    Alister McDermott
    Michael Hogan
    Matt Johnston
    Nathan Rimmington
    Dom Thornely
    Jason Krejza


    And probably a stack more; I got bored eventually. I'm not saying they're all better T20 bowlers than him, but the sheer volume of the list (which isn't even finished in all likelihood) tends to suggest that McKay keeping it tight in T20 cricket is a myth. He bowls length pies; if there's one good thing T20 cricket has brought to the world, it's an environment in which that sort of bowling gets punished.
    Taste it NUFAN.

    Still maintain that in SL conditions McKay would have been a very good option.

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    Particularly harsh on McKay with Mussey bowling 1 over in his career for 5, having a better economy.
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    When KP returns he will be the banana..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    I deny that Bailey is a specialist captain. Name one middle order batsman more qualified than him (and by that I don't mean top-4-pushed-down-the-order ala Dave Hussey, I mean a legitimate 5 or 6 batsman).

    His T20i record has him averaging 25+ at a SR >130, which is similar to his domestic record. He is a pretty good short-form batsman, we just perceive him as too slow because we want an order involving 6 reincarnations of Shane Watson.
    I'm not sold. Would you really take Bailey over, for example, Shane Watson as a no 5/6 batsman?

    Guys who turn the strike over do have their place in T20s, but I wouldn't select one over a big hitter purely on principle ie I'd take 6 big hitters if the 5th and 6th ones were "better" than the accumulators.

    Now obviously "better" would be hard to quantify given that they perform different roles. It all comes down to the selector, I guess. A Dave Hussey sort of player is definitely an option for the #5/6 role though, regardless of him being a "specialist top 4 batsman."

    (I hope I haven't paraphrased Cribb here, but from what I read he seemed to be disagreeing for another reason).
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