Are specialist captains an asset in Twenty20s?

[BoyBrumby]

Semi-related tangent: what's Patto jr like as T20 bowler? His BB is pretty decent.

Actually Pattinson sr must soon re-qualify for Oz too if he hasn't already. Think it was 2008 when he played his only test.

Could theoretically see both playing for 'Strayla.

[NUFAN]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

McKay is a dire T20 bowler. I didn't like the Doherty selection either but why McKay was the third seamer in the squad in the first place is beyond me.

Incorrect. Clint McKay is one of histories best T20 bowlers. Even though the conditions were spin friendly, CM is not the type of bowler to leak huge runs per over. McKay, Hilfenhaus, McDermott, Bollinger would have all been better options against WI compared to the mediocre Doherty spell.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by NUFAN

Incorrect. Clint McKay is one of histories best T20 bowlers. Even though the conditions were spin friendly, CM is not the type of bowler to leak huge runs per over.

Australian cricketers who go for less runs per over than McKay in T20 cricket:

Mitchell Starc
Shane Watson
Pat Cummins
Ryan Harris
Ben Hilfenhaus
Brad Hogg
Mitchell Johnson
Doug Bollinger
Nathan Hauritz
Steve O'Keefe
John Wayne Hastings
Xavier Doherty
James Pattinson
Peter Siddle
Dan Christian
Glenn Maxwell
Dirk Nannes
Dave Hussey
Steve Smith
Ben Laughlin
Mitch Marsh
James Faulkner
Mike Hussey
Chris Swan
Jayde Herrick
Luke Doran
Aaron O'Brien
Chris Lynn
Michael Beer
Nathan Lyon
Aaron Heal
Josh Hazelwood
Kane Richardson
Alister McDermott
Michael Hogan
Matt Johnston
Nathan Rimmington
Dom Thornely
Jason Krejza


And probably a stack more; I got bored eventually. I'm not saying they're all better T20 bowlers than him, but the sheer volume of the list (which isn't even finished in all likelihood) tends to suggest that McKay keeping it tight in T20 cricket is a myth. He bowls length pies; if there's one good thing T20 cricket has brought to the world, it's an environment in which that sort of bowling gets punished.

[Spark]

Mussey!

[LongHopCassidy]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Semi-related tangent: what's Patto jr like as T20 bowler? His BB is pretty decent.

He actually confessed on national TV that playing all three forms would probably implode his body in the medium-term, so the hit and giggle had to go.

[NUFAN]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Australian cricketers who go for less runs per over than McKay in T20 cricket:

Mitchell Starc
Shane Watson
Pat Cummins
Ryan Harris
Ben Hilfenhaus
Brad Hogg
Mitchell Johnson
Doug Bollinger
Nathan Hauritz
Steve O'Keefe
John Wayne Hastings
Xavier Doherty
James Pattinson
Peter Siddle
Dan Christian
Glenn Maxwell
Dirk Nannes
Dave Hussey
Steve Smith
Ben Laughlin
Mitch Marsh
James Faulkner
Mike Hussey
Chris Swan
Jayde Herrick
Luke Doran
Aaron O'Brien
Chris Lynn
Michael Beer
Nathan Lyon
Aaron Heal
Josh Hazelwood
Kane Richardson
Alister McDermott
Michael Hogan
Matt Johnston
Nathan Rimmington
Dom Thornely
Jason Krejza


And probably a stack more; I got bored eventually. I'm not saying they're all better T20 bowlers than him, but the sheer volume of the list (which isn't even finished in all likelihood) tends to suggest that McKay keeping it tight in T20 cricket is a myth. He bowls length pies; if there's one good thing T20 cricket has brought to the world, it's an environment in which that sort of bowling gets punished.

Taste it NUFAN.

Still maintain that in SL conditions McKay would have been a very good option.

[Cabinet96]

Particularly harsh on McKay with Mussey bowling 1 over in his career for 5, having a better economy.

[MrPrez]

Originally Posted by rvd619323

I deny that Bailey is a specialist captain. Name one middle order batsman more qualified than him (and by that I don't mean top-4-pushed-down-the-order ala Dave Hussey, I mean a legitimate 5 or 6 batsman).

His T20i record has him averaging 25+ at a SR >130, which is similar to his domestic record. He is a pretty good short-form batsman, we just perceive him as too slow because we want an order involving 6 reincarnations of Shane Watson.

I'm not sold. Would you really take Bailey over, for example, Shane Watson as a no 5/6 batsman?

Guys who turn the strike over do have their place in T20s, but I wouldn't select one over a big hitter purely on principle ie I'd take 6 big hitters if the 5th and 6th ones were "better" than the accumulators.

Now obviously "better" would be hard to quantify given that they perform different roles. It all comes down to the selector, I guess. A Dave Hussey sort of player is definitely an option for the #5/6 role though, regardless of him being a "specialist top 4 batsman."

(I hope I haven't paraphrased Cribb here, but from what I read he seemed to be disagreeing for another reason).