Pakistan most fluke team (and discussion about tournament structure fairness)

[Sir Alex]

Originally Posted by Burgey

For those CWers who can't be ****ed reading this, the gravimen of Sir Alex's post is that India should have immunity, like in Survivor. They have to be in the semis, or else.. Or else.

Suck it up mate. If India win their last game they can still make it, at least I think. Don't care really.

And if Australia don't win it I hope Pakistan do, because there'll be a few blokes on here who will go so utterly spare that they'll end up banned.

And that'll be tops, to use the old 80s vernacular of my youth.

Yeah bring it on mate. Resorting to laughable personal attacks when you can't contest what I said. Not the first time. Surely won't be the last either.

But am not going to reciprocate on the same line.

Btw, request you to answer my query whether The team that pipped past Australia during WC qualifiers had less wins than Aus?

[Burgey]

Originally Posted by Sir Alex

The difference is that in football, there are 3 results possible, win, draw or loss.

Out of curiousity, did any team which qualified at their expense had a lower win rate than Australia at the point of latter's exit?

Without looking it up, for certain they did. We didn't lose a game, plenty of the teams who qualified from different qualifying pools had worse results than Aus.

Just like, hang on, Pakistan, who have worse results than India, but being from a different pool, have snuck through.

Fair dinkum, starting to hope they win this now. Absolute comedy gold on here if they do.

[BoyBrumby]

This is the third tournament with the same format, isn't it?

[Sir Alex]

Originally Posted by Burgey

Without looking it up, for certain they did. We didn't lose a game, plenty of the teams who qualified from different qualifying pools had worse results than Aus.

Just like, hang on, Pakistan, who have worse results than India, but being from a different pool, have snuck through.

Fair dinkum, starting to hope they win this now. Absolute comedy gold on here if they do.

More wins than Australia? Please could you put in the exacts? Further, I repeat am not sure how valid is a comparison between football and cricket, as the former has three possible results while the latter has just the two.

My position has been transparent on this issue from the outset. It has got nothing to do with your perceptions not being the reality.

[Sir Alex]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

This is the third tournament with the same format, isn't it?

First with me around here.

Not sure 07 one was on the same lines. Because I can't remember associates playing in that.

[Top_Cat]

Originally Posted by Faisal1985

I just wonder if people would show the same level of criticism if it was any other team in the position that Pak is.

What 'people'? It's only one 'person' here!

[GingerFurball]

Originally Posted by Sir Alex

Must be my fixation with the idea that the team with more wins should progress to the knockouts ahead of teams with lesser wins.

If there are instances where a team managed to reach knockouts in a world tournament, despite having lesser wins than a team which exited it, please feel free to share.

In other words why the need for two prelim rounds?

Bayern Munich qualifying for the Champions League Final is unfair, Bordeaux beat them twice in the group stages.

[Burgey]

Originally Posted by Sir Alex

Yeah bring it on mate. Resorting to laughable personal attacks when you can't contest what I said. Not the first time. Surely won't be the last either.

But am not going to reciprocate on the same line.

Btw, request you to answer my query whether The team that pipped past Australia during WC qualifiers had less wins than Aus?

Mate, it's not a personal attack, but I can make it one if you like.

Said in the other thread, heaps of sides who got to the 98 WC did so with more losses, but they, like Pakistan here, qualified via different pools.

Like Sinatra said mate..

That's life.. That's what all the people say,
You're riding high in April
At the bottom of a bucket of **** in May..

Or something like that.

[honestbharani]

Originally Posted by Thirdman1

Lol We haven't won a trophy by fluke yet.
In 1983 WC also we defeated WI twice
In 1986 champions trophy we defeated everybody
In 2002 champions trophy we defeated everbody
In 2007 T20 WC we defeated everybody except NZ and beat you guys twice.

And what you did in 1992 WC and 2009 T20 WC was win few games and win the trophy

mate, seriously, you are going nowhere.. Pakistan deserved their WC wins just as much as we did... It is not as if they lost some game and won the trophy, for crying out loud!!!


And yeah, Pak have gone through on the basis of winning one game now.. And India can go through too, winning just one game!!! And don't blame Pakistan if we can't win our game tomorrow. Us losing and Pak winning does not make the format a bad one!!!

[GingerFurball]

I'd imagine Iran had more losses than Australia, given that Australia's path to qualification pre 2010 involved thrashing a bunch of islands and New Zealand before inevitably losing to the 4th placed South American side.

[Sir Alex]

Originally Posted by Burgey

Mate, it's not a personal attack, but I can make it one if you like.

Said in the other thread, heaps of sides who got to the 98 WC did so with more losses, but they, like Pakistan here, qualified via different pools.

Like Sinatra said mate..

That's life.. That's what all the people say,
You're riding high in April
At the bottom of a bucket of **** in May..

Or something like that.

Ok, lets do this is the other thread mate.

[Sir Alex]

Originally Posted by GingerFurball

Bayern Munich qualifying for the Champions League Final is unfair, Bordeaux beat them twice in the group stages.

Did they have fewer overall wins than Bordeaux at time of latter's elimination?

(I don't follow football that closely so apologise for me ignorant of results)

[GingerFurball]

Champions League 2009/10

Bordeaux: 8 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat. Eliminated at the quarter finals.

Inter Milan: 7 wins, 3 draws, 2 defeats. Finalists.

Bayern Munich: 7 wins, 1 draw, 4 defeats. Finalists.

Not fair.

[Burgey]

Originally Posted by honestbharani

mate, seriously, you are going nowhere.. Pakistan deserved their WC wins just as much as we did... It is not as if they lost some game and won the trophy, for crying out loud!!!


And yeah, Pak have gone through on the basis of winning one game now.. And India can go through too, winning just one game!!! And don't blame Pakistan if we can't win our game tomorrow. Us losing and Pak winning does not make the format a bad one!!!

HB - WAG. Hits the nail on the head right here.

[Sir Alex]

Originally Posted by Burgey

Mate, it's not a personal attack, but I can make it one if you like.

Said in the other thread, heaps of sides who got to the 98 WC did so with more losses, but they, like Pakistan here, qualified via different pools.

Like Sinatra said mate..

That's life.. That's what all the people say,
You're riding high in April
At the bottom of a bucket of **** in May..

Or something like that.

Nicely done. But diff being in football, win ratio and loss ratio are two seperate things. In other words, you might have lost less than the other team, but it doesn't mean you've WON more than the other.