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    Still don't bloody understand why they don't wait before IPL is over before selecting the Indian T20 team..... so many in form players not being selected while useless people like Yuvraj continue to be selected on reputation only, Rohit Sharma might fit this bill as well right now.... I'd take Vijay, Kohli and Uthappa ahead of the two....

    Lets not forget bowling... Chawla ahead of Mishra or Ohja or Karthick.... pretty dumb from selectors.
    Now Praveen Kumar can't get a game for Banglore and he'll be opening bowling for India

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_D View Post
    Still don't bloody understand why they don't wait before IPL is over before selecting the Indian T20 team..... so many in form players not being selected while useless people like Yuvraj continue to be selected on reputation only, Rohit Sharma might fit this bill as well right now.... I'd take Vijay, Kohli and Uthappa ahead of the two....

    Lets not forget bowling... Chawla ahead of Mishra or Ohja or Karthick.... pretty dumb from selectors.
    Now Praveen Kumar can't get a game for Banglore and he'll be opening bowling for India
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    Today's IPl match between Delhi and Chennai was the exact kind of match in t20 where a Gambhir would be required,not a Uthappa.

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    Today's IPl match between Delhi and Chennai was the exact kind of match in t20 where a Gambhir would be required,not a Uthappa.
    No it was a match where anyone who can actually bat with a brain was required. Uthappa has a brain and would have been good enough to score runs in that situation. There were still glimpses of Gambhir's kamikaze running, albeit the fielding wasn't good enough to show it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Does anyone think that India should redraft the squad in light of IPL performances? Murali Vijay, Ashwin, Mishra, Ojha and Trivedi all deserve somewhat of a reconsideration, imo. Praveen does not get into the BRC team, how can he play for India?
    Looking at some of the performances in IPL, I would have preferred a team like the one below (though it's not too different from what the selectors selected)

    - Sehwag
    - GG
    - Uthappa
    - Rohit
    - Raina
    - Dhoni
    - Jadeja
    - Bhajji
    - Zak
    - R Vinay Kumar
    - Trivedi

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    - YP
    - Mishra
    - Umesh Yadav / Kamran Khan / ....
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    I've defended Jadeja's ODIs selection on here before - I think he's a bit under-rated - but I don't really see what value he offers a T20 team. The bowling of the likes of Raina, Yuvraj etc is just as effective as his in this format and his batting is unsuited to it. And to add to that, he hasn't even been playing in the IPL due to a ban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I've defended Jadeja's ODIs selection on here before - I think he's a bit under-rated - but I don't really see what value he offers a T20 team. The bowling of the likes of Raina, Yuvraj etc is just as effective as his in this format and his batting is unsuited to it. And to add to that, he hasn't even been playing in the IPL due to a ban.
    I like to have a side that can attack both with the bat and the ball. So if I can, I prefer to play a decent bowling all-rounder at #7 (esp if you have a good batting order from 1 to 6 and decent lower order batting with guys like Bhajji, Zak and Vinay, who can swing the bat well).

    Now which bowling all-rounder to play at #7? A spinner or a medium pacer? Let's look at options:

    For the medium pacers, Irfan Pathan (IP) comes off as the front runner and he has been batting well too. But his bowling doesn't inspire much confidence. Moreover looking at K11's performances, I would be tempted to not pick anyone from that side as I believe they have lost confidence (shown by messing things up at crucial stages) and probably need a long rest. Which is why I have left Yuvi (whose performances haven't been that good) and Chawal out too

    For the spinners, we have Jadeja and Yusuf Pathan (YP). Jadeja is more of a bowling bowler while YP is more of a batting all-rounder. YP's bowling doesn't inspire much confidence and on top of that we have 'better' (arguably) off-spinning options in Bhajji and Sehwag. And similar to someone like Rohit Sharma's. If I am picking a bowling all-rounder to bat at 7 then Jadeja is a better pick. Moreover Jadeja also delivered with the ball in the high-scoring ODIs against SA (so he is not in bad form). And he is not that far behind in terms of bowling than other spinners like Ojha, Kartik, etc

    So it is b/w Irfan (IP) and Jadeja for the bowling all-rounders' spot. There are pace bowlers who are bowling a lot better than Irfan is at the moment, while there isn't a big gap b/w Jadeja and some of the other spinners so I would pick Jadeja!

    Now you have 3 in-form (relatively) pacers (from the options available and you aren't compromising on bowling by picking Irfan and using him as the 3rd seamer), a specialist off-spinner in Bhajji, who can swing his bat too and a bowling all-rounder in Jadeja, who is not that far behind other regular spinners and someone who bats decently. This combination allows Ind to go in with a balanced bowling attack (and a balanced side). If some of them are having an off-day, we have good part-timers in Sehwag, Rohit and Raina to support

    This is how Jadeja adds value to the side. Ofc since T20 is dynamic, the combination could change depending up on form (and/or situation) but I would start out with the combination I listed in my last post
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    One day there will be a team with Vijay, Kohli and Rohit all in it.


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    Sad to see Viru missout. Hopefully, Vijay will use this opportunity to make a mark

    IPL stats for the round robin games:


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    Player  	Innings	Runs	SR	6s hit
    				
    Vijay	13	417	158	23
    Uthappa	13	348	170	25
    These two have been in good form! .... And look at the number of 6s that they have hit! Only other guy to hit 20 or more sixes is YP, who hit 24 in 14 innings

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    Vijay's stats obviously boosted a lot by that one big innings.

    Is so much harder to score consistently coming down the order as Uthappa has done.

    But it's a like-for-like replacement anyway so it's somewhat unfair to compare the two. The error was in the initial 15 selected.

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    Not to jinx him but Uthappa is playing suberbly right now, showing what good form he is in. He just walloped Bhajji. We need to get him in the squad too!


    PS oh boy, he departs just as I wrote this!
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