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*Official* India Squad discussion thread
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Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
Zimbabwe played with 4 spinners on their recent West Indian tour.And did pretty well.
And that's why i think They should have gone with Karthik instead of one of the faster bowlers for the t20 world cup.This time of the year the pitches are bound to be dry and slow in the windies.
And that's why i think They should have gone with Karthik instead of one of the faster bowlers for the t20 world cup.This time of the year the pitches are bound to be dry and slow in the windies.
R_D
International Debutant
Bit harsh but agree with the sentiments...I didn't know Jadeja was banned from IPL.... so he won't have played cricket for months and why exactly is he being picked again?
I'm pretty disappointed about Manish Pandey not being picked though... i thought he was shoe in for T20 team.
ret
International Debutant
We are talking abt Jadeja's bowling. As for batting, he isn't bad choice as a #7 or #8
From the guys selected, I would go for a line up like the one below for the first two games:
- Sehwag
- Gambhir
- Karthik
- YP
- Dhoni
- Yuvi
- Raina
- Jadeja
- Zak
- Vinay
- PK
These way we are batting till #11. The top order has guys who are good against both pace and spin. Then we have power hitters coming in. The lower order is useful too
For bowling, we need 3 pacers so hopefully Zak, PK and Vinay (/Nehra) will do a decent job. For spin, Jadeja, YP, Sehwag, Raina and UV can take the responsibility to bowl 8 overs amongst them. If a need for another specialist spinner (besides Jadeja) is felt then Bhajji/Chawla can come in for one of the batsmen. Ideally I would have liked to play additional specialist spinner but I don't know how effective Bhajji/Chawla would be over YP/Sehwag/Raina/UV
From the guys selected, I would go for a line up like the one below for the first two games:
- Sehwag
- Gambhir
- Karthik
- YP
- Dhoni
- Yuvi
- Raina
- Jadeja
- Zak
- Vinay
- PK
These way we are batting till #11. The top order has guys who are good against both pace and spin. Then we have power hitters coming in. The lower order is useful too
For bowling, we need 3 pacers so hopefully Zak, PK and Vinay (/Nehra) will do a decent job. For spin, Jadeja, YP, Sehwag, Raina and UV can take the responsibility to bowl 8 overs amongst them. If a need for another specialist spinner (besides Jadeja) is felt then Bhajji/Chawla can come in for one of the batsmen. Ideally I would have liked to play additional specialist spinner but I don't know how effective Bhajji/Chawla would be over YP/Sehwag/Raina/UV
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Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Re: Uthappa should replace Gambhir in the squad
I really don't see any reason why Uthappa would not be a success in the West Indies. If the pitches are on the 'good' side you'll get slow nothing pitches which are pretty much the same as what you'll get in the IPL. If they're the sort of rubbish you saw with the Zimbabwe series then it'll be a lottery with whoever bats and a few big blows might make the difference. Whatever I don't see the pitches being ones where you can get people in much trouble with short fast bowling.
For me you've got to have Uthappa there floating in the middle order. He's been succeeding against all sorts of bowling. He can just come out and hit low full tosses for 6 like it's shelling peas. That's a very rare talent. A lot of batsmen can be destructive when they get some time to get in, or when the field is set back.
For me T20 is finding ways of pinching runs. You can do it with fielding, good running, getting off to flying starts, someone like Malinga being unhittable. There are lots of ways, someone who can come in and immediately hit sixes for fun is another one. You want X-factor players in T20 and he's undoubtedly one. He's far less one-dimensional than someone like Yusuf Pathan who's probably the only other Indian batsman who can really destroy you in 3-4 overs at any stage of the game. Guys like Sehwag and Dhoni are obviously better and the former can smash you for fun during the powerplay, whilst Dhoni is very methodical at what he does.
Gambhir for me does not look like a T20 batsman. He's the sort of player who you just don't see doing much damage. I can't remember much of Sharma but he has a better record and bowls a bit.
I really don't see any reason why Uthappa would not be a success in the West Indies. If the pitches are on the 'good' side you'll get slow nothing pitches which are pretty much the same as what you'll get in the IPL. If they're the sort of rubbish you saw with the Zimbabwe series then it'll be a lottery with whoever bats and a few big blows might make the difference. Whatever I don't see the pitches being ones where you can get people in much trouble with short fast bowling.
For me you've got to have Uthappa there floating in the middle order. He's been succeeding against all sorts of bowling. He can just come out and hit low full tosses for 6 like it's shelling peas. That's a very rare talent. A lot of batsmen can be destructive when they get some time to get in, or when the field is set back.
For me T20 is finding ways of pinching runs. You can do it with fielding, good running, getting off to flying starts, someone like Malinga being unhittable. There are lots of ways, someone who can come in and immediately hit sixes for fun is another one. You want X-factor players in T20 and he's undoubtedly one. He's far less one-dimensional than someone like Yusuf Pathan who's probably the only other Indian batsman who can really destroy you in 3-4 overs at any stage of the game. Guys like Sehwag and Dhoni are obviously better and the former can smash you for fun during the powerplay, whilst Dhoni is very methodical at what he does.
Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
Gambhir averages 30.66 at a strike rate 126.022 in T20I'S.
Uthappa averages 18.62 at a strike rate of 115.50.
Besides you cannot have all impact players in your team,you need someone to anchor it too. And Gambhir can do both.He also gets the best out of sehwag ,a bit like Sachin does.
Uthappa is best as a impact player ,playing down the order where he can come in and hit with a free license.
While Gambhir will open the Innings for India and has both gears and can comfortably bat throughout the 20 overs. Uthappa opening the innings will mean 7 out of ten times a early wicket and with sehwag too along with him it is likely to be 8 out of 10 times.
Gambhir also has the ability to play the best of the spinners in the world ,and maneouver them on slow pitches which are likely to be present in west indies and slower bowlers in general.
Uthappa averages 18.62 at a strike rate of 115.50.
Besides you cannot have all impact players in your team,you need someone to anchor it too. And Gambhir can do both.He also gets the best out of sehwag ,a bit like Sachin does.
Uthappa is best as a impact player ,playing down the order where he can come in and hit with a free license.
While Gambhir will open the Innings for India and has both gears and can comfortably bat throughout the 20 overs. Uthappa opening the innings will mean 7 out of ten times a early wicket and with sehwag too along with him it is likely to be 8 out of 10 times.
Gambhir also has the ability to play the best of the spinners in the world ,and maneouver them on slow pitches which are likely to be present in west indies and slower bowlers in general.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Uthappa is clearly a different player now than when he played previously. You only have to watch him in the IPL to see he's not a 115 SR player - second highest sixes, 180 tournament strike rate, and they're not just from one-two big innings where got in the zone and feasted on pies somewhat as Yusuf's done. Players have come on dramatically in the past 2-3 years in T20 and he is obviously one of them. I mean the guy was only 21-22 when he played T20Is. The guy has bulked out and matured. It's obvious just looking at the photos (we're talking a big difference in his arms, he's much broader etc.). Power is obviously important for the 20 over format and this guy now has it in spades. Obviously he'll mature with his batting skills too.
Gambhir on the other hand is just a good batsman. He doesn't have six hitting power at all. On his day sure he'll hit the gaps which will mean he gets a decent strike rate, other times he'll hit the field and he'll be struggle. I'd be looking elsewhere for an opening batsman personally, although who that would be I don't know. Opening the batting is such a big position. It may end up that Gambhir would end up being there for lack of other options but he would still be the weak link.
Gambhir on the other hand is just a good batsman. He doesn't have six hitting power at all. On his day sure he'll hit the gaps which will mean he gets a decent strike rate, other times he'll hit the field and he'll be struggle. I'd be looking elsewhere for an opening batsman personally, although who that would be I don't know. Opening the batting is such a big position. It may end up that Gambhir would end up being there for lack of other options but he would still be the weak link.
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah, tend to agree. I actually quite like the IPL these days and I follow the Big Bash closely as well, but I have very little interest in T20Is unless there's a 'minnow' playing and I can cheer on a potential upset.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
When the weak link in the batting is Gautam Gambhir, that's a pretty strong lineup.
Not as if Gambhir had a good IPL last season or anything.
Shri
Mr. Glass
Fixed.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
touche
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Yes. He is worth his spot over Uthappa, who has shown himself to throw away his wicket early for prolonged periods of time, something that cannot be afforded until he cements a place as a Yusuf Pathan or Pollard-esque difference maker.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I wasn't suggesting Uthappa opened by the way, he would definitely be a 5/6 who floats.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Personally, I would agree with Scaly.. Uthappa a better bet than Pathan at that slot but then Uthappa can't bowl and we already have Dhoni to keep.. So would probably be a waste of space...