*Official* England Squad discussion thread - Page 2

BoyBrumby · 31-03-2010, 06:39 AM

Yep, agree with everyone, pretty much.

Trott's face still doesn't seem to quite fit, somehow & Sid's selection looks optimistic in the extreme. Probably says more about the lack of other options, I suppose. At least Shahzad has youth & batting(ish) on his side.

King Pietersen · 31-03-2010, 06:48 AM

Surely if they wanted to pick someone experienced they could have gone for James Kirtley in place of Sid? Had another excellent season last year, with 17 wickets at 10.88 and apart from Alfonso Thomas (who I wish was English) was the stand-out bowler last season. I think Kirtley and Napier would have been far better options personally. Kirtley only got 1 over in the T20i he played, bowling to Hayden and Gilchrist, pretty harsh to just bin him completely after that. He's been consistently excellent in T20 cricket for Sussex, and is surely a better option than Shahzad?

BoyBrumby · 31-03-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by King Pietersen

Surely if they wanted to pick someone experienced they could have gone for James Kirtley in place of Sid? Had another excellent season last year, with 17 wickets at 10.88 and apart from Alfonso Thomas (who I wish was English) was the stand-out bowler last season. I think Kirtley and Napier would have been far better options personally. Kirtley only got 1 over in the T20i he played, bowling to Hayden and Gilchrist, pretty harsh to just bin him completely after that. He's been consistently excellent in T20 cricket for Sussex, and is surely a better option than Shahzad?

You're preaching to the choir, mate.

Just that neither Napier nor Kirtley was in the 30 so I was picking from what was there. Wouldn't have picked Sid or Shahzad myself, but of the two calls Shahzad has very slightly more to recommend it.

Woakes or Trego would've made more sense than Sid too, IMHO.

King Pietersen · 31-03-2010, 06:58 AM

Yeah, tell me about it. Just quite frustrating that even with 30 to pick from the selectors can't justify picking 2 of the better T20 bowlers in England. I can sort of understand not picking Kirtley, his 1 performance against Australia in 07 didn't go well, but I'd love to hear their logic behind ignoring Graham Napier. /broken record

Scaly piscine · 31-03-2010, 08:01 AM

Yardy's bowling record was good last year... so was everyone else who played for Sussex - their pitch is a joke. His strike rate with the bat last year was 87.70. The only thing going for him is his bowling is good on joke pitches. But if the pitches are a little better or international batsmen play him a hell of a lot better than county batsmen do (which is my guess) then you're left with an almost entirely useless player.

Shahzad is just an abysmal selection.

Bopara? Yea we want a flat track bully to look good in scoring at a run a ball before chipping the ball to mid-on and dropping a simple catch. Much better than that bloke who was one of the top run getters last season.

Pothas · 31-03-2010, 08:06 AM

Looks like Ravi and Lumb benefited from playing in the IPL.

Lumb irritates me enormously as a player but he has been excellent in limited overs cricket so deserves his chance, also means that I will not have to put up with him scoring 35 every innings in the county champsionship for the first part of the season.

Scaly piscine · 31-03-2010, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pothas

Looks like Ravi and Lumb benefited from playing in the IPL.

And the selectors not watching it when Punjab were playing. Clearly.

four_or_six · 31-03-2010, 09:05 AM

Sidebottom?
Shazhad?
Lumb in suddenly?
No Napier?
No back-up keeper in a 15-man squad? (Or can Morgan keep and I didn't realise it)
No Trott?

BoyBrumby · 31-03-2010, 09:14 AM

Feeling your pain, tbh, but Morgan has kept for us before (Champions Trophy?). Wasn't that dire as non-specialists go. Think Colly's had a go in extremis too.

GingerFurball · 31-03-2010, 09:41 AM

Think 2 keepers in a 15 man squad is too extreme, unless you're playing 1 as a specialist bat.

GingerFurball · 31-03-2010, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

Yardy's bowling record was good last year... so was everyone else who played for Sussex - their pitch is a joke. His strike rate with the bat last year was 87.70. The only thing going for him is his bowling is good on joke pitches. But if the pitches are a little better or international batsmen play him a hell of a lot better than county batsmen do (which is my guess) then you're left with an almost entirely useless player.

Shahzad is just an abysmal selection.

Bopara? Yea we want a flat track bully to look good in scoring at a run a ball before chipping the ball to mid-on and dropping a simple catch. Much better than that bloke who was one of the top run getters last season.

Did you watch any of the West Indies v Zimbabwe series?

four_or_six · 31-03-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GingerFurball

Think 2 keepers in a 15 man squad is too extreme, unless you're playing 1 as a specialist bat.

I just thought that was the whole point of having the 15th player in such a short tournament, three extra players should adequately cover the rest. But if Morgan's okay then that's not too bad I guess.

Scaly piscine · 31-03-2010, 09:59 AM

As about as bad as group of islands could be at organising cricket tournaments even the West Indies won't conjure up pitches as bad as that *every* game. They'll produce a few I've no doubt, and if you're on a decent pitch I don't see what use Yardy will be. In this era of cricket I think his darts will become less and less effective.

four_or_six · 31-03-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Feeling your pain, tbh, but Morgan has kept for us before (Champions Trophy?). Wasn't that dire as non-specialists go. Think Colly's had a go in extremis too.

Hmm... remember Colly keeping in a test match recently. Was a bit hilarious iirc. But yeah, I guess Morgan's fine. It's more the general make-up of the squad that seems completely off, but what do I know?

four_or_six · 31-03-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

As about as bad as group of islands could be at organising cricket tournaments even the West Indies won't conjure up pitches as bad as that *every* game. They'll produce a few I've no doubt, and if you're on a decent pitch I don't see what use Yardy will be. In this era of cricket I think his darts will become less and less effective.

What I don't get about Yardy is why has he suddenly reappeared from nowhere? Or did he play some matches for us recently and I didn't notice? It's the same with Lumb, though I guess at least he's at the IPL.

31-03-2010, 06:39 AM	#16 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,629	Yep, agree with everyone, pretty much. Trott's face still doesn't seem to quite fit, somehow & Sid's selection looks optimistic in the extreme. Probably says more about the lack of other options, I suppose. At least Shahzad has youth & batting(ish) on his side. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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31-03-2010, 06:48 AM	#17 (permalink)
King Pietersen International Regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Suffolk, England Posts: 3,339	Surely if they wanted to pick someone experienced they could have gone for James Kirtley in place of Sid? Had another excellent season last year, with 17 wickets at 10.88 and apart from Alfonso Thomas (who I wish was English) was the stand-out bowler last season. I think Kirtley and Napier would have been far better options personally. Kirtley only got 1 over in the T20i he played, bowling to Hayden and Gilchrist, pretty harsh to just bin him completely after that. He's been consistently excellent in T20 cricket for Sussex, and is surely a better option than Shahzad?

31-03-2010, 06:58 AM	#19 (permalink)
King Pietersen International Regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Suffolk, England Posts: 3,339	Yeah, tell me about it. Just quite frustrating that even with 30 to pick from the selectors can't justify picking 2 of the better T20 bowlers in England. I can sort of understand not picking Kirtley, his 1 performance against Australia in 07 didn't go well, but I'd love to hear their logic behind ignoring Graham Napier. /broken record

31-03-2010, 08:06 AM	#21 (permalink)
Pothas Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Surbiton, UK Posts: 8,454	Looks like Ravi and Lumb benefited from playing in the IPL. Lumb irritates me enormously as a player but he has been excellent in limited overs cricket so deserves his chance, also means that I will not have to put up with him scoring 35 every innings in the county champsionship for the first part of the season.

31-03-2010, 09:05 AM	#23 (permalink)
four_or_six Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 9,136	Sidebottom? Shazhad? Lumb in suddenly? No Napier? No back-up keeper in a 15-man squad? (Or can Morgan keep and I didn't realise it) No Trott?

31-03-2010, 09:14 AM	#24 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,629	Feeling your pain, tbh, but Morgan has kept for us before (Champions Trophy?). Wasn't that dire as non-specialists go. Think Colly's had a go in extremis too.

31-03-2010, 09:59 AM	#28 (permalink)
Scaly piscine Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: North East England Posts: 18,519	As about as bad as group of islands could be at organising cricket tournaments even the West Indies won't conjure up pitches as bad as that every game. They'll produce a few I've no doubt, and if you're on a decent pitch I don't see what use Yardy will be. In this era of cricket I think his darts will become less and less effective.

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