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    That's pathetic, giving a goal kick instead of a corner is a tiny and insignificant decision that has no bearing on the game. You can trace any goal back to a throw-in that should have gone the other way or a borderline free-kick. If Holland hadn't spontaneously decided to defend like spanners for the last five minutes no one would be talking about such minor calls. I thought he did a good job too, in one of the most difficult matches to referee of all time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kweek View Post
    Yes...still the moment that outdid us had an air of failure from the referee over it.
    Haha, but not an air of failure from your team at this moment nor at any other throughout the match?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roseboy64 View Post
    Nah you're taking what I'm saying into a different direction as I expected. Essien is class at what he does, same as Lampard is. As such it'd be hard to say who's the better player. Ferdinand's a better player than Eduardo and we're not comparing positions there but how good they are relative to it.
    There's no clear seperation between Lampard and Essien sure. There is however between Cesc and Iniesta imo and most definitely between Cesc and Busquets which is why what you said was invalid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duffer View Post
    There's no clear seperation between Lampard and Essien sure. There is however between Cesc and Iniesta imo and most definitely between Cesc and Busquets which is why what you said was invalid.
    If you want to go down that road......Iniesta>Cesc>Busquets

    Who I would leave out in Barca's usual formation though?

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    However insignificant a goal-kick decision is (and generally I'd agree although the timing was unfortunate) it was still an appalling decision, simply inexcusable.

    The Iniesta thing, dunno, seen it given but not enough to cry injustice.

    I think Spain were a little dirtier than they've been given credit for because the Dutch were such animals but the best team won and not because of the referee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roseboy64 View Post
    If you want to go down that road......Iniesta>Cesc>Busquets

    Who I would leave out in Barca's usual formation though?

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    Nah. First, they aren't directly comparable, Cesc and Xavi are. But if you insist on doing it, Cesc's end-product is better than Iniesta's, though the latter has been much better in the big matches. And no, I don't buy the "Iniesta would be better if he was fit" excuse because staying fit is part of the deal.
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    I wouldn't say Cesc and Xavi are directly comparable. Xavi plays much, much deeper. Cesc is somewhere between Xavi and Iniesta. Xavi is somewhere between Cesc and Alonso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    I wouldn't say Cesc and Xavi are directly comparable. Xavi plays much, much deeper. Cesc is somewhere between Xavi and Iniesta. Xavi is somewhere between Cesc and Alonso.
    True, that's why I have no reservations about saying Xavi>Cesc even though Cesc scores plenty more goals. In fact, there is no other player in world football who can control games anywhere near as well as Xavi does. But Cesc's style of play is pretty similar to Xavi, and he used to play a bit deeper for Arsenal a couple of years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Nah. First, they aren't directly comparable, Cesc and Xavi are. But if you insist on doing it, Cesc's end-product is better than Iniesta's, though the latter has been much better in the big matches. And no, I don't buy the "Iniesta would be better if he was fit" excuse because staying fit is part of the deal.
    Those were the three players mentioned as we had agreed Xavi was the best of those named so hence the comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    That's pathetic, giving a goal kick instead of a corner is a tiny and insignificant decision that has no bearing on the game.
    Does when they go straight up the other end and score tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matteh View Post
    Does when they go straight up the other end and score tbh.
    The point is that they had time to regroup and render that mistake of little importance. If Spain had broken away and scored as the result of an error that would be different. No team at that level is going to concede a goal straight from a goalkick............................

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    Has happened though, believe it was Kuzuscak (spelling etc.) who let it in for Poland.

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    Believe what LT was alluding to is the fact that England conceded more or less straight from a goal kick against Germany.

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    Would make the smiley appear less Gordon Brown-ish that way in fairness.

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