It's certainly not common sense to leave a booked player on the field who does what Puyol did! Especially given the actual reason the Dutch went down to ten men in the end.
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Well if I'm right about the immediate dismissal guidelines, he only really had two options- red card+immediate free kick, or nothing at all. Given that Robben stayed on his feet, it's reasonable to assume he'd have preferred the latter, so that's what Webb gave him. That seems like common sense to me.
Seriously tough spot to make a decision, in any case. As I mentioned before, the ref who sent Lehmann off in the Arsenal-Barca cup final came under even more criticism than Webb has. Damned if you do...
I understand what you mean, I just don't agree that it's common sense. No need to go round in circles though.
Either decision would have been fine with me, really. If I were a referee I'd probably have given the free kick and red card. It's funny how much criticism referees get for their decisions on incidents that could go either way. When there's a close lbw it's generally accepted that both out and not-out are fair calls and the umpire gets some benefit of the doubt. Not so in football.
The big irony in all of it is that it was Robben and he didn't go down for the foul!
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Think Uppercut said what I wanted to say. Sorry if it sounded snooty but as you've seen before I'm more than willing to accept other views if they're sensible.
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You definitely can't play advantage from a red card tackle: you have to give the decision and send the man off... even if the ball does the end up in the net, you can't allow the goal. That wasn't an advantage, it was "no foul", which I think is totally fair enough.
All told, I thought Webb had an excellent game: I can even understand the yellow card for de Jong's karate kick... the way I read it, there was no intent to go through the other player's chest. Reckless, yes, but that is only a yellow in itself.
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Get over it.
I am over it, but you can't say Webb had a good game, that's madness.
His game was hardly flawless, but it was hardly the worst reffing performance I've ever seen. To suggest it in any way cost Holland the game is crazy.
missing a corner...with 2 minutes to go till penalties is pretty costing...
So is failing to create/take any decent chances for the entire match.
Yes...still the moment that outdid us had an air of failure from the referee over it.
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