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    Uruguay are moving the ball around really well at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    I'm backing them because I stand to win money for that. A much more noble reason than backing cheaters.

    SilentStriker having far too much influence on this forum when cheaters are revered.
    It's not cheating. He knew the punishment and he openly did it knowing it. It's knowing the rules and openly using them to help your team.

    And if you aren't willing to cop a one game suspension to guarantee your team a spot in the semi final, you shouldn't be playing on a team.
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    Think people are rather understating the magnitude of the keeper's cock-up. It was a regulation curling shot and he completely botched it, wasn't one that randomly swerved or anything.

    Other than that not sure how the teams scraped two goals out of that half with Dirk Kuyt, not many men committed forward, Dirk Kuyt, incompetent linesmanship, decent and well organised defences and Dirk Kuyt.
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    How awesome was Forlan's goal. Went nuts!

    Keeper ****ed it up, but still Forlan made some space and took the shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    Think people are rather understating the magnitude of the keeper's cock-up. It was a regulation curling shot and he completely botched it, wasn't one that randomly swerved or anything.
    Looked like he came in off his line a bit when he had no reason to. Was a bit weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    It's not cheating. He knew the punishment and he openly did it knowing it. It's knowing the rules and openly using them to help your team.

    And if you aren't willing to cop a one game suspension to guarantee your team a spot in the semi final, you shouldn't be playing on a team.
    Haha, nah mate it is cheating.

    If I try and cheat in an exam by bringing in papers I'm not allowed to do, it is cheating. It doesn't make a difference if I'm caught and the punishment is an instant fail, or I'm caught and the punishment is that I have to stand in the corner for 2 minutes, which I'd be more than happy to do in order to have the advantage of the papers.

    If you break the law, knowing the punishment and accept being caught, you still have committed a criminal act.

    Hence if you break a rule in sport, even if you know the punishment and accept it, you still have cheated.

    And I never said Suarez shouldn't have done what he did for his country. It isn't a reason to support the team though. You'd think players that can get through by largely following the rules would be the ones to support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Haha, nah mate it is cheating.

    If I try and cheat in an exam by bringing in papers I'm not allowed to do, it is cheating. It doesn't make a difference if I'm caught and the punishment is an instant fail, or I'm caught and the punishment is that I have to stand in the corner for 2 minutes, which I'd be more than happy to do in order to have the advantage of the papers.

    If you break the law, knowing the punishment and accept being caught, you still have committed a criminal act.

    Hence if you break a rule in sport, even if you know the punishment and accept it, you still have cheated.

    And I never said Suarez shouldn't have done what he did for his country. It isn't a reason to support the team though. You'd think players that can get through by largely following the rules would be the ones to support.
    OK, can you count the number of players who are pulling on shirts on a corner kick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    It's not cheating. He knew the punishment and he openly did it knowing it. It's knowing the rules and openly using them to help your team.

    And if you aren't willing to cop a one game suspension to guarantee your team a spot in the semi final, you shouldn't be playing on a team.
    Of course it's cheating. Deliberate breaking of any sport's agreed rules is exactly that.

    Wasn't guaranteeing his team a semi-final slot either, if Gyan hadn't jibbed the pen he'd just be another footnote.

    Anyway, very weird half. Was definitely hoping for more from the Dutch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Wasn't guaranteeing his team a semi-final slot either, if Gyan hadn't jibbed the pen he'd just be another footnote.
    It was guaranteeing them a chance is what I should have said. Without it, it was a guaranteed plane ticket home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    OK, can you count the number of players who are pulling on shirts on a corner kick?
    You point to me the post where I said I support *ENTER TEAM* because they pull opposition players shirts in the penalty box, and I'll get back to you.

    My point was supporting a player/team because he intentionally cheats is incredible.

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    Shows committment to do whats best for the team tbh.

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    Training bloody hard and being willing to go that extra mile shows commitment too. Also within the rules.

    Again, not arguing that Suarez shouldn't have done it necessarily (I've argued for a rule change anyway to prevent it from being an option) but my point is that it shouldn't be revered as a great trait.

    Smacks of "I'll support the act to spite those that want a rule change because of it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Backing Uruguay over the whole Suarez thing
    Also interesting, I don't quite remember your posts regarding Henry's hand ball incident. Be interested if you appreciated that. Just because he wasn't caught doesn't change the fact as to whether you'd back France because of it.

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