Why doesn't FIFA do something about diving/players abusing referees? - Page 3

PhoenixFire · 21-06-2010, 08:10 AM

He's clearly trolling, reckon that should be pretty clear by now.

Son Of Coco · 21-06-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

He's clearly trolling, reckon that should be pretty clear by now.

I'm new at this

PhoenixFire · 21-06-2010, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Son Of Coco

I'm new at this

Haha sorry, came out a bit more harsh than intented, no offence

Just he's at it all of the time and it's getting pretty dire now.

benchmark00 · 21-06-2010, 08:22 AM

Disgusting behaviour from Son Of Coco and PhoenixFire.

Did you learn nothing from this thread: A plea ???

PhoenixFire · 21-06-2010, 08:38 AM

shut up ffs, you're getting annoying

Son Of Coco · 21-06-2010, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

Haha sorry, came out a bit more harsh than intented, no offence

Just he's at it all of the time and it's getting pretty dire now.

Haha, no worries mate. Didn't think it was harsh, it was my way of agreeing with you.

Fortunately I seem to avoid most of the threads he frequents here it seems.

Son Of Coco · 21-06-2010, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by benchmark00

Disgusting behaviour from Son Of Coco and PhoenixFire.

Did you learn nothing from this thread: A plea ???

Just posting smart-arse one-liners without offering your take on the issue isn't helping anyone Benchmark. You Australians, sitting at home practicing your swear faces in the mirror...

GingerFurball · 21-06-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jono

The fact that diving can result in an opposition player getting sent off is ridiculous. I'd love to know any sport whereby cheating can provide such an advantage for their team, barring a boxer wearing barbed wire on their gloves

I'd agree with that if people also agree that the New Zealand defender who gave away the penalty yesterday should have been sent off - after all, holding your opponent back so he can't get a clear run at a corner is cheating as well.

For all the outrage about diving, I've seen very little condemnation of the "tackle" which saw Elano stretchered off. Until people are prepared to condemn acts of thuggery that risk injuring players as much as they condemn diving, I won't take any anti-diving crusade seriously.

benchmark00 · 21-06-2010, 09:05 AM

The slight tugging of a persons shirt is not as big of a hindrance as playing the rest of the match with one less player.

FaaipDeOiad · 21-06-2010, 09:11 AM

Yeah, I don't really see how you can compare the two things. Tugging on someone's shirt is against the rules and should be a foul, but it's a couple of seconds of hindrance for one player, and it's already something referees look for and attempt to punish.

Diving and winning a penalty or getting another player sent off can decide matches, is absurdly common and also completely contrary to the spirit of the game, which I don't really think a physical competition for the ball is, even if one player might controvene the rules in the process.

GIMH · 21-06-2010, 09:13 AM

Hmm, I think GF has a point. Most dives aren't with the intention of getting an opponent sent off - obviously we see them, like last night - they are generally to try and earn a free kick or penalty, basically to try and earn a goal illegitimately. Given that a pull of the shirt is normally an attempt to prevent a goal illegitimately, a comparison can be made.

Sir Alex · 21-06-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

He's clearly trolling, reckon that should be pretty clear by now.

You are seeing things that aren't there.

FaaipDeOiad · 21-06-2010, 09:18 AM

It's also worth noting that there are lots of other sports where people simulate for fouls or whatever and it's always considered to be a dirty way to play the game, whereas giving away free kicks/fouls is pretty inevitable and part of a dedicated contest.

You're meant to try and win the ball, if you go too far in an effort to do so you'll give away a free kick. You're not meant to pathetically throw yourself to the ground in an attempt to win a free kick instead of trying to win the ball. I really don't consider them comparable at all.

Ikki · 21-06-2010, 09:18 AM

I haven't read the rest of the thread so I don't know if anyone has brought this up, but sometimes it's necessary to go down a bit easy. Just yesterday I was playing a game for my own club and I am a solid/strong guy and very hard to get off my feet, but this guy tried to run right through me with his elbow up. I ended up staying on my feet but felt like I had been punched. It was an obvious foul but because I had stayed on my feet the ref didn't call it, unbelievably. The same thing goes for pros in many situations; as they're clearly impeded but the ref doesn't blow the whistle unless an obvious foul is committed or the player goes down.

Agree with a lot of what the thread starter has said though.

GIMH · 21-06-2010, 09:19 AM

I'll leave it at this, no need to go round in circles, I have deja vu as I think you and I had this very same discussion four years ago

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21-06-2010, 09:13 AM	#41 (permalink)
GIMH Eternal Optimist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Shake my tree where's the apple for me? Posts: 43,654	Hmm, I think GF has a point. Most dives aren't with the intention of getting an opponent sent off - obviously we see them, like last night - they are generally to try and earn a free kick or penalty, basically to try and earn a goal illegitimately. Given that a pull of the shirt is normally an attempt to prevent a goal illegitimately, a comparison can be made. __________________ Watch out, for as soon as it pleases them they’ll send you out to protect their gold in wars whose weapons, rapidly developed by servile scientists, will become more and more deadly until they can with a flick of the finger tear a million of you to pieces RIP Craigos. A true CW legend. You will be missed.

21-06-2010, 09:18 AM	#44 (permalink)
Ikki International Coach Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Death Queen Island Posts: 12,053	I haven't read the rest of the thread so I don't know if anyone has brought this up, but sometimes it's necessary to go down a bit easy. Just yesterday I was playing a game for my own club and I am a solid/strong guy and very hard to get off my feet, but this guy tried to run right through me with his elbow up. I ended up staying on my feet but felt like I had been punched. It was an obvious foul but because I had stayed on my feet the ref didn't call it, unbelievably. The same thing goes for pros in many situations; as they're clearly impeded but the ref doesn't blow the whistle unless an obvious foul is committed or the player goes down. Agree with a lot of what the thread starter has said though. __________________ I think there'll sooner be another Bradman than another Warne. - Gidgeon Haigh [Warne is] the greatest bowler ever produced in this entire world - Muttiah Muralidaran [Warne is] the greatest bowler of all time - Glenn McGrath In my opinion Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer who's ever lived - Ian Botham Warne is the greatest cricketer to pick up a ball ever. And is the greatest bowler I have ever laid eyes on. - Brian Lara

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FaaipDeOiad Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 18,682	It's also worth noting that there are lots of other sports where people simulate for fouls or whatever and it's always considered to be a dirty way to play the game, whereas giving away free kicks/fouls is pretty inevitable and part of a dedicated contest. You're meant to try and win the ball, if you go too far in an effort to do so you'll give away a free kick. You're not meant to pathetically throw yourself to the ground in an attempt to win a free kick instead of trying to win the ball. I really don't consider them comparable at all.

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