I've only ever seen trouble inside a ground once, first hand. Rangers FTR
Seen a couple of pubs ripped apart but given the amount of games I've been to and the fact I've been going twenty years, I can safely say Sir Alex has no clue what he's talking about, as per usual. Wears his anti-Englishness as a badge of honour, tragic.
There were 84,000 vuvuzelas at the opening ceremony. Assuming that the stadium seats twice as many people, thats still 50% of the spectators wielding those horns. Calculate the number of vuvuzelas in an appropriate radius for an individual, bearing in mind that the reduction is only 6 dB for every doubling of distance, and throw in those 5 minutes per person, a conservative estimate at that, plus a variable for them taking turns.
I don't need to be SS to figure out that's a lot of noise.
Regarding what people have said about health and saftey. You have to remember where this WC is. You cant expect the same behaviour or standards. Also, as I said, the noise isnt as bad as compared to big local games. Someone mentioned stadium announcements. What stadium announcements? This is Africa and African football we are talking about with all accompanying good and bad.
The 'horns' should come as no suprise to people. Its almost as if the TV companies and media have never watched a game from South Africa previously.
Vuvus are going nowhere. They are a royal pain but once the decision was made to give the WC to SA then this could only be expected. They are not pleasant but people need to suck it up.
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Only ever seen crowd trouble twice - in 2002 vs Feyenoord when their fans decided to start attacking the Rangers fans on the other side of the police cordon, and in Bucharest last year, where I up at the back of the Rangers section, and suffered the appaling organisation of the Romanian police. While I'm not excusing what our fans did that night, I can fully understand why some fans reacted the way they did.
Anyone who doubts the vuvuzelas are a danger to health (hearing) really is on a different planet. There's simply not an argument there. It would be interesting if diagnosis was done properly on things like the incidence of tinnitus.
For me they should be banned. The culture and all that is bull****. The poorer South Africans are already effectively excluded from going. The vuvuzelas have a whole multitude of negative effects and virtually no positive ones.
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As they say out there "This is Africa, toughen up."
I dont want to sound like I like them, as I dont, but I know why they are used and how they are valued locally.
The BBC has definitely jacked up the volume on Pearce & Mick The Plank's commentary for the Eyetie/Para game to try to drown them out. If being forced into such desperate measures isn't a clinching argument for banning them then I dunno what is.
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