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This guy died during my lifetime (2004), so I'm claiming it:
From Wikipedia: 1966 World Cup Final With eleven minutes of extra time gone, Alan Ball put in a cross and Geoff Hurst swivelled and shot from close range. The ball hit the underside of the cross bar, bounced down - apparently on or just over the line - and was cleared. The referee Gottfried Dienst was uncertain if it had been a goal and consulted his linesman, Tofik Bakhramov from the USSR, who in a moment of drama indicated that it was. After non-verbal communication, as they had no common language, the Swiss referee awarded the goal to the home team. The crowd and the audience of 400 million television viewers were left arguing whether the goal should have been given or not. England's third goal has remained controversial ever since the match. According to the Laws of the Game the definition of a goal is when "the whole of the ball passes over the goal line". In England, supporters cite the good position of the linesman and the statement of Roger Hunt, the nearest England player to the ball, who claimed it was a goal and that was why he wheeled away in celebration rather than tapping the rebounding ball in. However, a study conducted by the Engineering Department at Oxford University concluded that the ball did not cross the line entirely and that it was 6 cms away from being a goal (Goal-directed Video Metrology). German supporters cite the possible bias of the Soviet linesman (Bakhramov was from Azerbaijan), especially as the USSR had just been defeated in the semi-finals by West Germany. Bakhramov later stated in his memoirs that he believed the ball had bounced back not from the crossbar, but from the net and that he was not able to observe the rest of the scene, so it did not matter where the ball hit the ground anyway. When Bakhramov was asked on his deathbed how could he be sure the third goal had crossed the line, he was alleged to have replied 'Stalingrad'. Swiss referee Gottfried Dienst, otherwise regarded as the best referee, did not see the scene. His son, amid England fans: 
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04-06-2010, 01:22 AM
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Makes sense - hard to believe England could have won otherwise
 Great story though. Wonder if it's true?
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04-06-2010, 12:03 PM
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What's the point of all the biomechanical studies when you just need a non-blind man with a video of the incident to tell you it shouldn't have been a goal?
Germany's equaliser was offside anyway, so it should never have got to that stage in the first place.
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04-06-2010, 12:32 PM
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The Stalingrad story reeks of the apocryphal, tbh. Was never a goal tho.
But look in the record books, as they say. 
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05-06-2010, 07:09 AM
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Back to the thread, Moore & Pele after the 1970 group game. Pele weeping after the 1958 win. Zidane walking past the trophy after being sent off in 2006. From a purely English pov, Moore holding the trophy in 1966. Last edited by wpdavid; 05-06-2010 at 07:11 AM. |
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05-06-2010, 05:47 PM
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Well before my life started, but just been watching highlights of Italy vs Chile 1962. FMD, some of the most disgusting tackles I've ever seen.
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06-06-2010, 03:35 AM
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On a happier note, you've reminded me of a different Italian moment which I forgot to include earlier, namely Tardelli's celebration after scoring in the 1982 final. |
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08-06-2010, 02:04 AM
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Nah, it's clearly the doctor from Neighbours holding the trophy.
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