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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    why the **** is this not on the filter yet?


    Good job McAteer played for Ireland otherwise he'd have got a mention in this thread.



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    In which competition? Or internationally?
    Sydney FC, Newcastle United, Australia and England.

    Not a huge fan by any stretch of the imagination but I do check the results of those teams semi-regularly.
    Gotta ask: why? One of those teams who don't seem to attract a lot of support from outside the Geordie nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Difference being that Pirlo and Xavi not only have the ability to run the game, but they also aren't completely anonymous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    IIRC Carrick started against Spain last year, but on 70 minutes I actually realised he was on the pitch he was that out of it.
    Yea we where never going do dominate Spain trying to out-pass Spain in mid-field. But i do remember Carrick bossing a friendly vs Germany that we won in Munich (although it was not the German's best XI)

    But i would still have him in the squad, since lets say Barry gets injured. Carrick is his back-up..

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    Haha, wow, bossing a Germany B team. Even if that claim wasn't at all tenuous it still wouldn't justify his inclusion in the squad.

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    Yea, but no many opposition mid-fielders in Europe can boss the Spanish mid-field trio anyway.

    Carrick can definately be of use to ENG, i dont see a reason why you should leave him out especially if you are going pick Milner instead. His position too ATM is likely even safer with Hargreaves unlikely to go, even though i'm still holding out out he could recover in time & make the squad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    Yea, but no many opposition mid-fielders in Europe can poss the Spanish mid-field trio anyway.

    Carrick can definately be of use to ENG, i dont see a reason why you should leave him out especially if you are going pick Milner instead. His position too ATM is likely even safer with Hargreaves unlikely to go, even though i'm still holding out out he could recover in time & make the squad.
    All the more reason to pick the most competent English midfield then, i.e. not Carrick.

    You may not see any reason for why he should be left out, but I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in seeing no reason for him being picked. You constantly refer to how he may be good cover for Barry, but fail to explain why. Also let's not forget that Barry is hardly an outstanding player himself, albeit a great deal better than Carrick. Hargreaves is obviously the best choice in my opinion, but his chances are getting slimmer and slimmer by the day, and I think almost everyone is resigned to the fact that he will not be on the plane to South Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    All the more reason to pick the most competent English midfield then, i.e. not Carrick.
    Huh?. I'm not sure what you mean here.

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    You may not see any reason for why he should be left out, but I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in seeing no reason for him being picked.
    Well i haven't heard one. So far as i said i've seen him being left out, but Milner (a winger) included when presuming all are fit you will already have 4 wingers in Cole/Walcott/Lennon/Becks. Whats the use of having 5 wingers?.

    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    You constantly refer to how he may be good cover for Barry, but fail to explain why. Also let's not forget that Barry is hardly an outstanding player himself, albeit a great deal better than Carrick.
    Barry is better defensively than Carrick thats it. Carrick passing game is comparable to Barry (maybe slightly better in some cases). If Carrick learns to tackle well 2moro he will be as good as Barry. But Barry would still be preferable given he is left-footer & thats a nice balance to mid-field alongside Lamps.

    So lets say Barry gets injured, Stevie G may have to come & partners Lamps in the middle together, which we all know is failed formula. This is why Carrick is back-up to Barry.

    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    Hargreaves is obviously the best choice in my opinion, but his chances are getting slimmer and slimmer by the day, and I think almost everyone is resigned to the fact that he will not be on the plane to South Africa.
    Ye probably ATM. But for reasons aformentioned, Hargreaves likely not going make it, Carrick's position even more safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    Huh?. I'm not sure what you mean here.



    Well i haven't heard one. So far as i said i've seen him being left out, but Milner (a winger) included when presuming all are fit you will already have 4 wingers in Cole/Walcott/Lennon/Becks. Whats the use of having 5 wingers?.



    Barry is better defensively than Carrick thats it. Carrick passing game is comparable to Barry (maybe slightly better in some cases). If Carrick learns to tackle well 2moro he will be as good as Barry. But Barry would still be preferable given he is left-footer & thats a nice balance to mid-field alongside Lamps.

    So lets say Barry gets injured, Stevie G may have to come & partners Lamps in the middle together, which we all know is failed formula. This is why Carrick is back-up to Barry.



    Ye probably ATM. But for reasons aformentioned, Hargreaves likely not going make it, Carrick's position even more safe.
    Barry is better than Carrick in every regard. Carrick can pass the ball sideways along the midfield, he adds nothing else to the side. His tackling and passing are not of an international standard, and for a player who should make a claim for his inclusion based on these abilities, this is not acceptable.

    If Carrick learns to tackle as well as Gareth Barry in one day? That's an absurd suggestion, if Robert Green suddenly becomes as good as Zidane overnight he should probably be picked to play in midfield as well. Besides, the bottom line is he isn't as good currently so it's not worth dwelling on, irrespective of will he will ever be, something I doubt.

    As for Gerrard partnering Lampard in midfield, so be it, it's not ideal, but shunting a substandard player into the team for no other reason than two of the better players in the side are not at their most effective whilst playing along side one another is another weak justification for any sort of inclusion. I'm not a huge fan of Milner playing in the middle either, but on current form he has done everything to suggest he has a better claim to the position than Carrick, and as you seem to be so keen on versatility I'm surprised you'd begrudge him the opportunity.

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    Worth noting that Capello has played Beckham pretty much exclusively in the midfield general role when he's come on. Reckon he could do the job just as well as Carrick if needs be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Worth noting that Capello has played Beckham pretty much exclusively in the midfield general role when he's come on. Reckon he could do the job just as well as Carrick if needs be.
    Yeah completely agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Worth noting that Capello has played Beckham pretty much exclusively in the midfield general role when he's come on. Reckon he could do the job just as well as Carrick if needs be.
    * better than Carrick

    Carrick's been anonymous all season. Definitely form you want to take to the World Cup...
    If he actually managed to build on last season, I could see an argument. But there's absolutely no reason for him to be there as things stands. He's taken backward steps. Beckham still a star.

    On another note, I'd comfortably take Bent ahead of Cole. I like Carlton Cole a lot, but he's not fit enough or consistent enough. Not sure how much more Bent has to do to prove that he's worthy of an England place.
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