*Official* England Squad Thread

[GIMH]

Yeah, when I discussed this with a couple of mates, we came to the conclusion that if we get a good run injury-wise, we might do well. A couple of injuries, say goodnight. Bit like Liverpool last season.

[marc71178]

Which explains why most squads will look similar.

However any squad that includes the likes of King and Owen are so off the mark as to be not funny.

As for Milner not being there but Carrick being there, well that's pure fantasy.

And Gibbs & Baines > Warnock? WTF?

[aussie]

Originally Posted by marc71178

Which explains why most squads will look similar.

However any squad that includes the likes of King and Owen are so off the mark as to be not funny.

Haa if Owen being picked is a joke. I dont know what to call you having Warnock over Bridge.

Capello & Redknapp clearly has King in their thoughts thoughts & the reasons i gave for possibly picking King they themselves have given. So no their is nothing funny about considering King as an option for the WC.

Originally Posted by marc71178

As for Milner not being there but Carrick being there, well that's pure fantasy.

Whats the sense picking Milner when we both have included 4 wingers in Becks/J Cole/Walcott/Lennon.?? Why do you want 5 wingers.

Okay Milner has been playing in centre for Villa alot of late since Downing has returned but he isn't a better CM option than Carrick. Carrick is back-up to Barry & given we cant be certain about Hargreaves, it makes Carrick's spot even more safe.

Originally Posted by marc71178

And Gibbs & Baines > Warnock? WTF?

Warnock is not international quality i dont know what you have been watching. Gibbs is the future & clearly is better than Warnock. Baines also is better than Warnock & is much more likely to be international quality than Warnock based on what i've seen of them.

Warnock is about as good as Nick Shorey. The real WTF & joke here is you picking Warnock as back-up LB instead of Bridge.

[NUFAN]

Not enough Villa love in Aussie's team.

Also, LOL at Paul Robinson getting a spot: neighbours character > english goalkeeper.

[sledger]

Haha, Aussie.

[Ausage]

Originally Posted by NUFAN

Also, LOL at Paul Robinson getting a spot: neighbours character > english goalkeeper.

As long as no one puts any crosses in, Robbo should be fine.

[Uppercut]

Can definitely see Owen going if he comes off the bench and scores in two or three big games for United. It's the exact quality you're looking for in your backup strikers. The other options are players like Defoe and Bent- better players, but they're more players you want if someone breaks down than players you want on the bench (besides, they don't have many runs on the board in an England shirt).

[BoyBrumby]

Can't see Owen going. Hasn't got the legs anymore and 5 strikers is a luxuary in a 23-man squad, especially when we have Gerrard and (probably) Walcott who can play as auxiliary strikers too.

[cpr]

Problem is Owen's rarely looked like coming on and making the impact. Fluffed his lines far more than he's hit the notes as late. In my mind he needed a much better start to the season to get himself in the picture. I like him, and i'm glad we signed him, but he shouldn't be in the England squad.

Think not taking Milner would be criminal, offers cover on the left flank (somewhere I think Joe Cole is wasted). Can only be one of Carrick or Hargreaves IMO, wish it'd be the latter, but time fast running out, in fact probably has. King effectively means were 1 player down for 2/3 matches considering the short timescale of the comp

My Squad


Hart
Green
James/Foster (whichever is making less clangers)

Johnson
A Cole
Terry
Ferdinand (if he can stop doing a King impression)
Baines (am a fan)
Brown (lack of other options)
Upson (see above)

Lampard
Gerrard
Milner
Young
J Cole
Lennon
Barry
Beckham
Carrick/Hargreaves

Rooney
Defoe
Crouch
C Cole/Bent
Walcott


Cant see who to drop out of those 24. Possible risk of taking just 2 keepers? (not often a team is required to use all 3.... Think Turkey did in the Euro Champs not too long ago mind)

Feel 5 strikers is a must (using Walcott as 5th striker if needed), 4 means 1 injury and the options are far too limited, however probably fight between Walcott and Lennon to stay in, and i'd prefer the latter.

Just dont like Heskey as an England player, and think people use stats to flatter him, its rare he's involved in England goals bar scuffed shots and rebounds of his head. Feel Crouch could be just as effective at it, however England dont play the same style with Crouch in as they know he can use his feet

[aussie]

Originally Posted by Jungle Jumbo

Can't see how I can have double-standards when I've not argued anything like that re. Ronaldo before, but even so, Owen scores one (one!) hattrick against a Bundesliga defence, in a game that Wolfsburg had to throw players forward and which Owen capitalised on. Otherwise he's hardly looked threatening and has been sparsely used, behind possibly the most ungratefully talented striker that has ever existed. Says it all really.

You didn't say it. But before Owen went to United thats was the general argument againts him while he was Newcastle before SAF brought him to OT.

Really cant see how you can say he has not been threatening. Yea i'm disappointed he hasn't played/started more often. But was he really bought to be regular starter?. Berbatov/Wazza was always going to be the regular starters, i always saw Owen role to be one as similar to when SAF bought Laarson - which was as a impact sub in big games, while starting againts the weaker teams.

Originally Posted by Jungle Jumbo

He's hardly going to be the impact sub you want anyway - nondescript striker with no pace, size or weight.

Who came on & scored that late goal in the 4-3 win againts Man City again??. Thats the kind of situations & circumstances where Owen is/can be effective in the WC.

Originally Posted by Jungle Jumbo

Yes, he still has the poacher's instinct in the box, but it's only highlighted because he's Michael Owen, and he has history. Lots was made about the tap-in in the Champions League, but any decent striker should have been alert enough to take up that position. Beckham has a left foot and will use it when he has too, although obviously playing wide on the right, having one of the best right feet of all time means he rarely has to use his left. Owen has absolutely no left foot - I've actually spoken to his high school coach (sorry to namedrop, know his son), who said from a very early stage you could see it would be his biggest shortcoming. And once you become aware of it, it's so, so noticeable in games. The fact that he has no pace anymore, makes it even more obvious and a greater hinderance.

Defoe doesn't have a left foot either & he is must pick ATM & is hardly as proven as Owen againts international quality defenses. I seriously think you are overexaggerating how slow Owen has become. You make it sound as if he is at snails pace ATM..

Originally Posted by Jungle Jumbo

His game isn't about strength - agreed - so what it is about then? He is a lightweight too, that's not his fault, but it's not an attribute without pace.

Haa you make it sound by suggesting Owne is "lightweight" that a defender would barge him off the ball. He is definately much stronger than Walcott for example. Ok yea Owen doesn't have Theo's pace to avoid being tackled etc, but as we both agree his strenght is is poacher instinct in the box.

That poacher instict is much better than a Defoe who may have the pace, but whose finishing is still questionable at international level.

Originally Posted by Jungle Jumbo

We all saw what a great European Championships Klose had last year as well... but even if he is 'inferior skill wise', I think I'd know who I'd take between the two right now. Owen's game has relied on pace for so long; Klose at least has a bit more presence. If people take '98 and Munich out of the equation and remember Owen has done nothing for several years now, they'd only draw one conclusion.

Klose has presence? Thats news to me. Clearly you are criminally underating Owen if you would prefer Klose to him right now. Come on mann

How has Owen not done anything for years, i see you have forgotten how he 2 goals vs Russia @ Wembley in the Euro 08 qualifier.

Owen pace when he scored those two goals vs Russia is no different to what it is now AFAIC. Back then he was at Newcastle and many poeple where saying he is DONE, but SAF thought otherwise & bought him.

Owen has to go to the WC..

[aussie]

Originally Posted by cpr

Think not taking Milner would be criminal, offers cover on the left flank (somewhere I think Joe Cole is wasted).

Well given that Stevie G is playing on the left & one of Walcott/Lennon is likely be on right. I'd say J Cole is back-up left-wing, while both Theo/Lennon can play their too.

Milner can only go if their is an injury to one of Cole/Becks/Theo/Lennon.

Originally Posted by cpr

Can only be one of Carrick or Hargreaves IMO, wish it'd be the latter, but time fast running out, in fact probably has

Have heard alot of people saying this, but i really dont see why it has to be Carrick or Hargreaves TBH.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Can't see Owen going. Hasn't got the legs anymore and 5 strikers is a luxuary in a 23-man squad, especially when we have Gerrard and (probably) Walcott who can play as auxiliary strikers too.

It is interesting that Beckham has been playing a 4-3-3 formationa at Milan with Marco Borriello, and Ronaldinho.

Milan: Dida; Abate, Nesta, Thiago Silva, Antonini; Gattuso (Flamini 65), Pirlo, Ambrosini; Beckham, Borriello (Huntelaar 85), Ronaldinho

[aussie]

Originally Posted by Craig

It is interesting that Beckham has been playing a 4-3-3 formationa at Milan with Marco Borriello, and Ronaldinho.

Milan: Dida; Abate, Nesta, Thiago Silva, Antonini; Gattuso (Flamini 65), Pirlo, Ambrosini; Beckham, Borriello (Huntelaar 85), Ronaldinho

Yea but last season he was playing in mid-field though. I reckon when Pato & Seedorf returns he will go back in the centre (RCM to be exact).

[cpr]

Originally Posted by aussie

Well given that Stevie G is playing on the left & one of Walcott/Lennon is likely be on right. I'd say J Cole is back-up left-wing, while both Theo/Lennon can play their too.

Milner can only go if their is an injury to one of Cole/Becks/Theo/Lennon.

Ah, the old England tactic, take one of our most effective and skillful players, put him on the left wing and watch him go gash. Been doing that since Barnes. Would rather Gerrard played right with Lennon or Theo left, because Gerrard can get some great crosses with his right but doesnt appear in the game on the left, least the other two are dangerous by virtue of pace and dribbling.

In fairness i'd prefer a midfield four with Lampard in the middle, and Gerrard doing whatever the hell he wants just behind Rooney.

Milner IMO has been the most effective player on the left wing for England in a long time, deserves a spot i think

Originally Posted by aussie

Have heard alot of people saying this, but i really dont see why it has to be Carrick of Hargreaves TBH.

Because with Barry, who's a gimmie tbh, it'll be three defensive midfielders, so unless a defender is sacrificed (letting Hargreaves cover RB) its too much DM cover than we need. Personally think Hargreaves has missed the boat, still no sign of first team at utd, let alone playing himself back to form and fitness, and the seasons over in 4 months

[cpr]

Originally Posted by aussie

You didn't say it. But before Owen went to United thats was the general argument againts him while he was Newcastle before SAF brought him to OT.

Really cant see how you can say he has not been threatening. Yea i'm disappointed he hasn't played/started more often. But was he really bought to be regular starter?. Berbatov/Wazza was always going to be the regular starters, i always saw Owen role to be one as similar to when SAF bought Laarson - which was as a impact sub in big games, while starting againts the weaker teams.

Problem is, for all the hype, Laarson did the square root of **** all for us, mebbie 2 good games at the start, but looked out of it most of the time.

Thing is with Owen, he probably is still the best natural striker in England, but he doesn't look sharp, and when he is getting the game time he's not excelling enough... However Berbatov's injury might be the chance he needs. He needs to snatch it to prove he can do what we know he can. If he can put in a good run, i'd put him in ahead of Bent.

Rooney - all round striker who can produce the brilliance
Crouch - Height, control, good knack for goals at international level
Defoe - Speed and great finisher (slowly showing this at the top as well)
Owen - Predator who can turn a game by not letting a tired defence turn off
Walcott - Run the legs off a tired defence


Those 5 would offer a vast variety depending on who we play. Need Owen to step up over the next 6 weeks IMO to show he's good enough to go.