Just found out India are out (been that sort of night/day). I don't think a big deal should be made of it, they were a bit sluggish, a bit out of form and lost their best player. Not to mention it's the nature of the shortened format that this can happen. I think major changes will only hurt a growing team more, although I can't disagree with ret's continuous improvement stance as long as it's nothing drastic.
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The point is, confidence and form tend to overcome lots of deficiencies. There is a good chance that he would have been found out at 3 anyways but he was shuffled down, his form went down, his rhythm went out and then suddenly he was back at 3 for the crucial games and looked lost.
Even if Raina had failed at 3, had he been batting at 3 all along, at least it could be put down to inability. Now, it is inability plus incompetent captaincy...
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Frankly, some of the picks in the squad didn't deserve to be there. Ravi Jadeja is a complete misfit in this form of the game, with bat and ball. Pragyan Ojha doesn't add much value apart from his bowling; both Amit Mishra and Yusuf Pathan are better, well-rounded options. Dinesh Karthik scores in bits and pieces, and only one fifty in the IPL, which doesn't inspire any confidence. Rahane and Badrinath were better, while T20 centurion Manish Pandey should have played.
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one good point for me abt India's exit is that I will be able to follow the rest of the games from a neutral perspective and enjoy good cricket
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Nassir Hussain to Harsha Bhogle in the commentary box after India's exit "No matter what you say in the end it is the technical inadequacy to play the rising ball that cost India"
He summed it up nicely. I wonder if he writes columns.
So what is Gary Doing in the team apart from playing Poker with rest of his crew ?
At the moment, he is being a backroom boy, letting all of the spotlight on Dhoni and the rest of the team. When they did well, they were glorified. When they have played poorly (as they have done now), they are being pilloried. I don't understand what the problem with Kirsten is here.... He is being consistent in being out of the spotlight...
And if Dhoni can take the praises, he gotta take the criticisms too. You are being completely unfair here... Plus, if Dhoni's excuse is that as a captain, he can have bad games and tourneys, the same can happen to the coach too.
It is not juz Gary btw, Venky and Robin are there too plus the medical staff.
My question was directed at the new perception (or fact) that "it is the technical inadequacy to play the rising ball that cost India", well in that case it has been a year and half since Gary took over, why have they not recognized this shortcoming yet ?
wasn't it WI who exposed that on June 12th!
Indian misery ends with 3 loses in a row .... Would like some of the guys to rested for the WI tour, which would also give them an opportunity to analyze their games
my recommendation for the squad
openers: Rohit, Panday, Vijay
other batsmen: Yuvi, Badri, YP, Karthik
pacers: RP, Praveen, IP, Nehra, Munaf
spinners: ojha and mishra
15th place: jadeja / another wk like Saha / Virat Kohli / ?
Now, after a public apology by Dhoni, the team management, particularly Gary Kirsten, started the excuse-o-matic before this match, blaming IPL fatigue on their below-par performance here. Then how was South Africa doing so much better? Or Sri Lanka? Both teams had all their top players in the IPL and they're doing well here. The result of Delhi and Punjab crashing out and Deccan winning the IPL was a bigger factor than any fatigue.
The Indians (batsmen in particular) were less than dire throughout the IPL, and that has showed here too. It is difficult to comment on the bowling, as they did well, though let down by fielding and field placings, but Zaheer and Ishant not being in form in England was a factor. The batting, however, looks completely misfit in T20, lacking technique, power, innovation and intelligence. Strategies were also weird, but when your best T20 players are on the bench, you're out of it.
And there's Yusuf Pathan. Tipped as one of the best T20 players around, Dhoni has relegated him far back into the sidelines, when he can contribute so much to this team.
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