Group E - England, India, South Africa, West Indies

[G.I.Joe]

Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

I think we can all safely assume that T20 isn't regarded as hit and giggle anymore then, evoking some emotional responses here (including from myself). I think there are a few things that need sorting in this tournament and format, but on the whole have once again enjoyed this tournament. It's been a million miles ahead of the last ODI WC in terms of entertainment.

Oh yeah. AWTA. The newspapers here understandably already looking forward to the next T20 WC in the WI thats apparently only 9 months away for some reason. Its just plain stupid planning to hand over a 9 month reign to the champs of this WC. Anyway, hope the WI get a proper celebration of cricket next year after that excuse of a WC the ICC foisted on them last time.

As for the game, my 2 cents - England was robbed. Maybe DL should look into limiting the number of wickets made available to the chasing team if all they're simply going to halve the target score for the 9 overs.

[social]

A balanced view from an Englishman

Lack of big-hitters exposed at the death - Times Online

[zaremba]

Originally Posted by tooextracool

Not to be pedantic, but I have never ever heard anyone ever say anything along the lines of 'England have been cheated of a win by the weather'. Merriam Webster defines 'cheating' as 'to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud'. I am sorry but I fail to see how England were deceived by the weather or how they were on the other side of any type of fraud. You could say that England were denied victory by the weather, but cheating implies something completely different and far more serious.

It proves absolutely zero, of course, but a google search for "cheated by the weather" brings up this reference to the 2003 World Cup:

i feel extremely sorry for the fact that south africa could not go through
are they the unluckiest team in the world ?
remember the 1999 world cup!
also unfortunate was the exit of west indies (cheated by the weather)

[Son Of Coco]

Originally Posted by Voltman

Hard luck to the English fans, and well done to the Windies, regardless of the match situation.

That said, I couldn't help but having a smile on my face after reading the bitter bile spouting forth from this poster's keyboard:

[BoyBrumby]

Originally Posted by tooextracool

Thats a new definition of the word cheating for me. I would think firstly that you cant be cheated out by an inanimate object such as the weather, and I would also think that cheating involves some form of trickery. Both teams knew exactly what they were getting into before the game, DWL has been around for ages and eweve known for donkey's years that it favors the team batting 2nd in twenty20. England won the toss and chose to bat, which was their own fault, everybody including the neighbours dog knew that rain was predicted and they still chose to bat out of fear because they hadnt batted 2nd all tournament.

Did the better team today win? Maybe not, but the word 'cheat' is certainly not applicable in this context IMO because no one was deceived.

Surely you must've heard the phrase "cheated death" or "cheated serious injury"? In those contexts it just means "elluded" or "narrowly missed". Even if you haven't, they're in pretty common parlance. No trickery implied in either case at any rate.

Same with the use of "cheated" in "England were cheated by the DL system and/or the weather"; it's really synonymous with "England were denied a win that could have been theirs but for the inequities of the DL system/ unreliability of their weather".

[Uppercut]

Originally Posted by Jono

Weren't you the one criticising NZ fans for complaining about a shortened game earlier in the tournament?

Bit hypocritical, you could replace "Kiwis" with "Poms" and "shortened games" with "duckworth lewis system in T20s" and the situations would be identical.

Were England damn unlucky? Yes. But I doubt the same **** would be spouted by Scaly if the roles were reversed, no matter how much he claims he would have.

I don't think it's comparable. A nine-over game is still an even contest. Whatever else you can say about it, it favours neither one team nor the other. Last night's game wasn't.

Just because Scaly moans about England being better than they are regardless of what happens in a match doesn't mean they weren't pretty badly crapped on here.

[Smith]

Originally Posted by TT Boy

Don’t understand the “we woz robbed” sentiments.

We batted poorly (how many boundaries in the last 10 overs) and had the Windies finished at 40 odd for 5 with two out-of-touch batsman at the crease. Yet, we still contrived to lose with balls to spare when the going rate was well above 10 with only 3 overs left.

Can’t blame D/L, 80 off 9 with only 3 overs of PowerPlay isn’t scandalous, it’s defendable.

The biggest scandal is why we can’t get a full game in when the weather is set fair. Rain only meant about an hour was lost; surely you can make that up and extend the game...

But fair play to the Windies. Now go and knock out Sri Lanka.

It was 2 AM in India when the match ended.

[Smith]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Surely you must've heard the phrase "cheated death" or "cheated serious injury"? In those contexts it just means "elluded" or "narrowly missed". Even if you haven't, they're in pretty common parlance. No trickery implied in either case at any rate.

Same with the use of "cheated" in "England were cheated by the DL system and/or the weather"; it's really synonymous with "England were denied a win that could have been theirs but for the inequities of the DL system/ unreliability of their weather".

England contextually used in the same sense as death and serious injury? Lol!

[Uppercut]

Originally Posted by Jono

Weren't you the one criticising NZ fans for complaining about a shortened game earlier in the tournament?

Bit hypocritical, you could replace "Kiwis" with "Poms" and "shortened games" with "duckworth lewis system in T20s" and the situations would be identical.

Were England damn unlucky? Yes. But I doubt the same **** would be spouted by Scaly if the roles were reversed, no matter how much he claims he would have.

Also, i think when people are accusing you of being biased towards England over New Zealand it's time to hand in your Irish card .

[BoyBrumby]

Originally Posted by Smith

England contextually used in the same sense as death and serious injury? Lol!

English usage; not "England contextuality". Over 9 million matches on Google for "cheated death", fewer than 300k of which are from UK sites.

[Quaggas]

Cheat

3. to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide.

[TT Boy]

Originally Posted by Smith

It was 2 AM in India when the match ended.

And 4am in China but the game was held in England - So what has that go to do with the price of milk?

[Smith]

Originally Posted by Quaggas

Cheat

3. to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide.

He cheated death by a whisker.

Convert it into passive voice, death was cheated by him by a whisker. Makes no sense.

It is a transitive verb right and hence the subject is very important than the object. Hence the question is who cheated England, WI or DL?

[Smith]

Originally Posted by TT Boy

And 4am in China but the game was held in England - So what has that go to do with the price of milk?

ESPN star = Major broadcaster = matches have to be when Indian populace is not asleep.

[BoyBrumby]

Originally Posted by Smith

He cheated death by a whisker.

Convert it into passive voice, death was cheated by him by a whisker. Makes no sense.

It is a transitive verb right and hence the subject is very important than the object. Hence the question is who cheated England, WI or DL?

Of course it does. Ugly constructed sentence, but the meaning remains.

& it's intransitive, anyway. Doesn't need an object. Eg:

"Precam cheated"