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    Quote Originally Posted by Howsie View Post
    I'm a New Zealand fan and all, but without trying to sound bias we have one of the best top fours in the 20/20 world cup. I know a lot of people don't like McCullum and that's fair enough but a lineup containing Ryder, McCullum, Guptill, Taylor, Oram is usually going to score a few runs in a 20/20 match. I just wish Taylor would throw away that slog six shot he has, and only use it maybe once, twice an innings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Quick tip: never argue with Scaly about NZ. Personally I think his beautiful intelligent perfect girl was stolen by a kiwi guy, and thats why he's so irrationally dismissive of us, but hey, point is, don't bother with him. Unless of course you've had a bad day and want to vent some steam, then by all means go for it.
    Nah.. he is just plain irrational and dismissive, (maybe even a little xenophobic)
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    You have a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howsie View Post
    I'm a New Zealand fan and all, but without trying to sound bias we have one of the best top fours in the 20/20 world cup. I know a lot of people don't like McCullum and that's fair enough but a lineup containing Ryder, McCullum, Guptill, Taylor, Oram is usually going to score a few runs in a 20/20 match. I just wish Taylor would throw away that slog six shot he has, and only use it maybe once, twice an innings.
    It's a horrible top 5.

    McCullum does little against quality bowling
    Ryder has a poor T20 record, doesn't seem to be his game
    Guptill? Who?
    Taylor is a random across the line slogger in T20. It'll work occasionally, but less likely if the ball does anything and the bowling is good
    Oram has just been absolutely hopeless in the IPL


    Pakistan, Australia, India and South Africa all have comfortably better top orders. New Zealand aren't going to outgun top sides. They can grind sides down with long batting orders allowing for more aggression, good overall disciplined team display, consistent high quality fielding and the odd clever strategy/gamble.
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    You are a dick.

    McCullum has scored 3 50s in his last 3 international t20s against India and Australia.

    Your comment on Ryder is ridiculous if you can score quick in and ODI which he does regularly you can score quick in at Twenty20 ffs. Its a matter of time before he fires in a t20.

    Guptill also just tore up the West Indies and Indian attacks, not too mention that innings he played at the Gabba against Australia.

    Taylor does play accross the line a fair bit, but when it pulls off he wins the game for you.

    Oram has been hopeless, but he hasnt had much cricket lately and he might just start to get into form.

    India and South Africa probably do have a better top order than NZ, but Pakistan is nothing compared to NZ and Australias is about on par.

    Im not saying NZ will take out the t20 world cup, but your post is ****ing ridiculous.

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    I can't see Ryder batting as bad in the World T20 as he did for Bangalore, though to be fair he did get a couple of 1st over jaffas.

    McCullum and Taylor came into form towards the end of the IPL.

    I like the top 4. Not the best, but certainly not the worst- that's our top 4. Lol
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    Scoring quickly in ODIs is completely different to scoring quickly in T20Is.

    Scoring quickly in ODIs is a run a ball or thereabouts, which generally isn't nearly enough in T20.

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    A statistical comparison of NZ to India and South Africa:

    McCullum- 27.71 @ 125.43sr
    Ryder- 22.53 @ 121.62sr
    Guptill- 17 @ 104.08sr (3 games only)
    Taylor- 20.19 @ 127.66sr
    Oram- 24.42 @ 156.68sr
    Styris- 19.43 @ 113.33sr

    Top 6 (combined) run average of 131.28 at a strike rate of 124.8

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    Sehwag- 22.27 @ 144.80sr
    Gambhir- 29.81 @ 126.64sr
    Raina- 24.75 @ 126.92sr
    Rohit- 17.83 @ 122.98sr
    Yuvraj- 29.11 @ 164.77sr
    Dhoni- 17.92 @ 103.86sr

    141.69 @ 131.66sr

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    Smith- 30.33 @ 127.27sr
    Gibbs- 17.5 @ 133.15sr
    Kallis- 10.75 @ 102.38sr (only 4 matches)
    De Villiers- 12.57 @ 107.31sr
    Duminy- 27.9 @ 133.49sr
    A.Morkel- 21.85 @ 139.9sr

    120.9 @ 123.93sr


    Take from it what you will and bare in mind South Africa have recently face Australia and a pissed-off Tait.

    Definitely not a crap top 6 by any means. I wish we had 1 as good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jondavluc View Post
    -Lots of decent part time bowlers which I think is pivotal in this format
    It's not at all.

    Guys who are decent part time options in ODIs get utterly smashed in T20s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivera213 View Post
    A statistical comparison of NZ to India and South Africa:

    McCullum- 27.71 @ 125.43sr
    Ryder- 22.53 @ 121.62sr
    Guptill- 17 @ 104.08sr (3 games only)
    Taylor- 20.19 @ 127.66sr
    Oram- 24.42 @ 156.68sr
    Styris- 19.43 @ 113.33sr

    Top 6 (combined) run average of 131.28 at a strike rate of 124.8

    ----------------

    Sehwag- 22.27 @ 144.80sr
    Gambhir- 29.81 @ 126.64sr
    Raina- 24.75 @ 126.92sr
    Rohit- 17.83 @ 122.98sr
    Yuvraj- 29.11 @ 164.77sr
    Dhoni- 17.92 @ 103.86sr

    141.69 @ 131.66sr

    ---------------

    Smith- 30.33 @ 127.27sr
    Gibbs- 17.5 @ 133.15sr
    Kallis- 10.75 @ 102.38sr (only 4 matches)
    De Villiers- 12.57 @ 107.31sr
    Duminy- 27.9 @ 133.49sr
    A.Morkel- 21.85 @ 139.9sr

    120.9 @ 123.93sr


    Take from it what you will and bare in mind South Africa have recently face Australia and a pissed-off Tait.

    Definitely not a crap top 6 by any means. I wish we had 1 as good!

    ****** it shows newzealands are not bad at all, & they've good bowlers too, i like Vetori, 3rd highest wicket taker in twenty 20 internationals. They're better than england, westindies & srilanka, same as Pakistan & Australia & a touch behind India & south Africa on paper (or the way people are rating teams)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    It's a horrible top 5.

    McCullum does little against quality bowling
    Ryder has a poor T20 record, doesn't seem to be his game
    Guptill? Who?
    Taylor is a random across the line slogger in T20. It'll work occasionally, but less likely if the ball does anything and the bowling is good
    Oram has just been absolutely hopeless in the IPL


    Pakistan, Australia, India and South Africa all have comfortably better top orders. New Zealand aren't going to outgun top sides. They can grind sides down with long batting orders allowing for more aggression, good overall disciplined team display, consistent high quality fielding and the odd clever strategy/gamble.
    Well lets compare it to England' shell we.

    1.Key
    2.Bopara
    3.Pietersen
    4.Shah
    5.Collingwood.

    If your calling NZ's top five horrible, whats the word to describe this bunch.

    Australia's top five is also pretty bad:

    Warner
    Watson
    Ponting
    D.Hussey
    Symonds

    Warner's crap, he is good for maybe 15-20 till he gets out. I haven't seen Watson for ages so I have no idea. Ponting is rubbish, and Dave Hussey is yet to prove anything at the international level. Symonds should be good though.

    South Africa and India. Maybe Australia and England.
    Boycott's favourites for the tournament, maybe England are better then I thought.
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