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    Quote Originally Posted by rivera213 View Post
    I like MIlls, but his SR at international 20-20 level in 26.1 and while Diamanti is still unproven, he has a domestic SR of 13.6, can supposedly swing the ball & gets decent players out though this may be journo BS.

    Still it was 50-50 between the 2 and I like Mills as a person, so hopefully he can have a good tournament.
    Ryder is probably a better bowling option than Diamanti.
    Is McGlashan a better gloveman than McCullum?
    McCullum by a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nz0003 View Post
    Does anyone remember Southee in England in his first series away from home? He absolutley dominated infact I think he got player of the series, he would of came into serious contention.
    Southee is a promising talent for NZ.

    I think too much was expected from him too soon in the test format (considering he's still only 20!).

    He has a good control of swing, will naturally add some pace by the time he's 23/24 and will have gained experience. I'm sure his stats will go in the right direction.

    He can hold a bat too so I believe long term he'll be in all 3 forms of the game for NZ.

    However, I would put him in the limited overs formats (especially being in England). His stats in England in ODI = 13 wickets @ 18.23, 20.3 SR, 5.38 Eco.

    There's no guarantee he'll be as good in T20, but considering he has experience of bowling well in English conditions, I'm surprised he isn't even in the squad unless he's injured which I haven't heard about (?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Ryder is probably a better bowling option than Diamanti.
    I like Ryder bowling in Twenty 20.

    Sure, he looks like the fat version of Shia LaBoeuf but picks up handy wickets and can bowl straight.

    In that acase, **** Diamanti. Lol


    McCullum by a long way.
    Is it Brendan's preferance to be an outfielder instead of WK?

    He did it for Kolkata, but he isn't a hack by any means behind the stumps (do you want to swap him for Prior?) and pulled off some athletic catches against us.

    It takes the place of a useful bowler having a WK in the team, and especially costly if he's nowhere near as good as McCullum.

    What's the talk in NZ in that regards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivera213 View Post
    I like Ryder bowling in Twenty 20.

    Sure, he looks like the fat version of Shia LaBoeuf but picks up handy wickets and can bowl straight.



    Is it Brendan's preferance to be an outfielder instead of WK?

    He did it for Kolkata, but he isn't a hack by any means behind the stumps (do you want to swap him for Prior?) and pulled off some athletic catches against us.

    It takes the place of a useful bowler having a WK in the team, and especially costly if he's nowhere near as good as McCullum.

    What's the talk in NZ in that regards?
    Na McCullums probably the best keeper in the world, but whenever he can avoid the strain on his back he hands the gloves over to specialist wicket keepers like McGlashan. McGlashan may make the team with his batting, in T20 he may be able to edge out Styris if he is on form.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rivera213 View Post
    Is McGlashan a better gloveman than McCullum?
    Is anyone?
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    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.

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    Most of the players have been awful in the IPL.

    Taylor is about the only one of the batsmen who has more than a snowball in hell's chance of making a good significant contribution leading to a good total when the rest merely chip in. If his across the line slogging doesn't come off then it's going to be below par scores pretty much every time. Bowling is mediocre. Once another team fires against NZ then NZ have got nothing to fire back with. In T20 you're even less likely to win without the raw talent the likes of India have in abundance. I can't see the pitches being horribly slow, which is the main thing that would give NZ a chance of winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Na McCullums probably the best keeper in the world, but whenever he can avoid the strain on his back he hands the gloves over to specialist wicket keepers like McGlashan. McGlashan may make the team with his batting, in T20 he may be able to edge out Styris if he is on form.
    Fair enough. You can't have a crocked McCullum.


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    Is anyone?
    I think Boucher is as good allround. Not quite as athletic as McCullum but just as safe a pair of hands.

    Foster is as good with the gloves too IMO, though obviously nowhere near as good with the bat and isn't really an "international" even if he has played for us before.

    I actually think De Villiers was as good with the gloves too, but obviously Boucher is there.

    I think Matt Prior and Kamran Akmal are No.2 & 3 behind McCullum as glovemen......

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivera213 View Post
    Fair enough. You can't have a crocked McCullum.




    I think Boucher is as good allround. Not quite as athletic as McCullum but just as safe a pair of hands.

    Foster is as good with the gloves too IMO, though obviously nowhere near as good with the bat and isn't really an "international" even if he has played for us before.

    I actually think De Villiers was as good with the gloves too, but obviously Boucher is there.

    I think Matt Prior and Kamran Akmal are No.2 & 3 behind McCullum as glovemen......
    Bouch isn't bad at all. Probably takes the same percentage of catches as McCullum, not quite so spectacular but McCullum misses very straightforward catches occasionally. The thing is, he hasn't had to stand up to many spinners over the years, which is what really separates the top keepers from the good ones.

    Of course, i can only limit this to international players who i see a great deal of. The best keeper around is probably nowhere near good enough with the bat to play for one of these teams. I'd nominate Jeroen Smits as one of the best behind the stumps I've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Bouch isn't bad at all. Probably takes the same percentage of catches as McCullum, not quite so spectacular but McCullum misses very straightforward catches occasionally. The thing is, he hasn't had to stand up to many spinners over the years, which is what really separates the top keepers from the good ones.
    Ja, Boucher will never fly way outside leg stump to catch a tickle from the bat to make the catch but equally you know if someone skies a top-edge which almost hits a plane and swirls around in the English wind and he's underneath- he'll catch it. It must be great for the Saffie bowlers to have him behind the stumps.

    Boucher is definitely 1 of, if not THE best WK to pace bowling I've seen, and especially, on bouncy South African tracks. He's had to deal with Donald, Pollock, Ntini (he used to bowl pretty fast 1998-2003, often clocked 90mph), Hayward (when he was bowling 90mph+ ca 1999-2002), Steyn (luckily the wickets in SA aren't as fast and boucny as in the 90's!), Klusener (when he was a genuine "fast" bowler- and at the begin of Boucher's career to boot!), Ngam (does anyone remember him?) etc.

    However, Boucher wouldn't take this catch in a million years IMHO- YouTube - AMAZING Brendon McCullum catch


    Of course, i can only limit this to international players who i see a great deal of. The best keeper around is probably nowhere near good enough with the bat to play for one of these teams. I'd nominate Jeroen Smits as one of the best behind the stumps I've seen.
    Smits is the captain of Holland so I'll see him in action in the World 20-20. I can't say I remember seeing him at all but it'll be good to see how he goes.

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    i always like newzealand, they do so well & in big tournaments, whenever we reached final, newzealand lost to Pakistan lol
    well just kidding
    they're a good side
    they can beat any team & i like them
    be ready for an upset this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naumaan View Post
    i always like newzealand, they do so well & in big tournaments, whenever we reached final, newzealand lost to Pakistan lol
    well just kidding
    they're a good side
    they can beat any team & i like them
    be ready for an upset this time
    Losing off Imran Nazirs bat too, irrc.

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    well many lost of his bat
    but newzealand will do alot better this time
    i saw some of their players are big hitters, on their day they will beat anyone
    so i guess they might win this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    Most of the players have been awful in the IPL.

    Taylor is about the only one of the batsmen who has more than a snowball in hell's chance of making a good significant contribution leading to a good total when the rest merely chip in. If his across the line slogging doesn't come off then it's going to be below par scores pretty much every time. Bowling is mediocre. Once another team fires against NZ then NZ have got nothing to fire back with. In T20 you're even less likely to win without the raw talent the likes of India have in abundance. I can't see the pitches being horribly slow, which is the main thing that would give NZ a chance of winning.
    I'm a New Zealand fan and all, but without trying to sound bias we have one of the best top fours in the 20/20 world cup. I know a lot of people don't like McCullum and that's fair enough but a lineup containing Ryder, McCullum, Guptill, Taylor, Oram is usually going to score a few runs in a 20/20 match. I just wish Taylor would throw away that slog six shot he has, and only use it maybe once, twice an innings.
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    Howsie don't bother arguing with scaly, NZ hating scamp that he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Howsie don't bother arguing with scaly, NZ hating scamp that he is.
    Well I guess that explains his post.

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