Akhtar out of World Cup

[Trumpers_Ghost]

What about shane warne, a proven cheat also
used steroids
cricket wasn't better than that type of cheats?

Warne was not tested positive for steriods! He was not accused by drug authorities of taking steriods!

Statements likes yours are utter lies and show you to be a waste of oxygen ****.

 

[Trumpers_Ghost]

He's a proven drugs cheat. Almost certainly been wilfully cheating by taking steroids most/all of his career. Cricket is far better off without people like him.

this is no better! This is conjecture at best, posted only to irritate those who actually rely on facts, and flame a war with those like yourself who don't believe in them. shameful

 

[Scaly piscine]

this is no better! This is conjecture at best, posted only to irritate those who actually rely on facts, and flame a war with those like yourself who don't believe in them. shameful

Yea because obviously a lazy turd of a person like Shoaib Akhtar who relies on being in very good physical shape as he's a fast bowler and has gone virtually his entire career without being conducted to drugs tests before magically testing positive for a performance enhancing drug at 32 would never have actually taken the steroids before then would he?

I mean such logical leaps are obviously not the place for a forum which solely relies on total accuracy hence the renowned agreeable nature of such websites.

 

[Naumaan]

i didn't say Shoaib didn't take drugs or whatever
but what that guy said few days ago in this topic, he looked like a racist, i mean to say someone a cheat, well i would say, have a drug test of all cricket players, lets see how many come out not having been cheating
& about warne, if he didn't take steroids, why was he banned for an year? He was eating chocolates or candies?

 

[andyc]

i didn't say Shoaib didn't take drugs or whatever
but what that guy said few days ago in this topic, he looked like a racist, i mean to say someone a cheat, well i would say, have a drug test of all cricket players, lets see how many come out not having been cheating
& about warne, if he didn't take steroids, why was he banned for an year? He was eating chocolates or candies?

The big difference there is that Warne didn't test positive for steroids - he tested positive for something that can be used to mask steroids. Sure, there's a pretty decent chance he may have taken them, but it wasn't prove. Shoiab on the other hand straight up tested positive for steroids. Different.

 

[Naumaan]

well i don't know inside stories but i do know warne was banned cuz of use of something not allowed & shoaib was banned cuz of using something not allowed
so for me both are same
lol

 

[funnygirl]

Yeah Warne served one year ban whereas Shoaib allowed to walk freely and play the game.

 

[Naumaan]

Yeah Warne served one year ban whereas Shoaib allowed to walk freely and play the game.

**** there was reason behind it, he didn't use steriods, i mean to say he didn't use branded steriods, he used "KUSHTE" which mostly indian & pakistani's are well known of, none knows they're steriods, i mean we just think it's something good for health
he filed a case in court that ask general people, if anyone knows this is an illegal thing, on this basis, he got out of it
i know here many people 'll argue but "KUSHTE" are local made thing & makers of them were also not aware of that these were illegal

 

[andyc]

Sorry, but that's just wrong. Shoaib tested positive for nandrolone, a known steroid. Warne tested positive for a banned diuretic, which is banned because although it itself doesn't provide any advantage, it can be used to mask other drug use.

So, to rephrase that - Warne tests positive for something that provides no benefits itself, but is banned, so he cops a year ban. Shoiab test positive for something that does provide an unfair advantage, and is let off. That's the key difference, and that's what scaly's talking about when he calls him a drug cheat, and it's a fair accusation as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Naumaan]

Sorry, but that's just wrong. Shoaib tested positive for nandrolone, a known steroid. Warne tested positive for a banned diuretic, which is banned because although it itself doesn't provide any advantage, it can be used to mask other drug use.

So, to rephrase that - Warne tests positive for something that provides no benefits itself, but is banned, so he cops a year ban. Shoiab test positive for something that does provide an unfair advantage, and is let off. That's the key difference, and that's what scaly's talking about when he calls him a drug cheat, and it's a fair accusation as far as I'm concerned.

man what i said was he used KUSHTE, & it wasn't a banned thing here in Pakistan, cuz people didn't know that some banned substance is used in KUSHTE
many boys used them cuz they didn't even know, that's why PCB has now banned these.
Whereas in a country like Australia, most of people would now what 's legal what's illegal, if warne was banned cuz he didn't use illegal stuff, then i guess why did Cricket banned him? They were wrong then, they made mess of one year of his cricketing career

 

[andyc]

Because international crickets aren't sat down and told what they can and can't take?

 

[Burgey]

i didn't say Shoaib didn't take drugs or whatever
but what that guy said few days ago in this topic, he looked like a racist, i mean to say someone a cheat, well i would say, have a drug test of all cricket players, lets see how many come out not having been cheating& about warne, if he didn't take steroids, why was he banned for an year? He was eating chocolates or candies?

The argument used (unsuccessfully) by nearly everyone who tries to fight a speeding fine - "Everyone else does it, why pick on me?"

Same argument is often used by drug suppliers on their way to a just fate.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Yea ignorance is no excuse, never has been. It's usually pretty simple, test positive for any banned substance and it's two years. The pair of them got off lightly.

The main difference between Warne and Shoaib Akhtar for me is the regularity in which they were tested. I think the PCB only conducted tests in the first place because of Bob Woolmer. I presume Shoaib may have been tested from time to time in county cricket (although I seem to remember stories about how inadequate the system was) - but that still leaves plenty of his career when he could take steroids and not be in any danger of being caught. I don't think it's very likely Warne has had much if any benefit throughout his career from taking banned substances. Shoaib Akhtar on the other hand I think has gained an unfair advantage from it and puts a big question mark next to everything he has achieved.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah Warne took steroids and proven performance enhancing drugs, including viagra right? :rolleye: Definitely should be stripped of all wickets post 2003, and the Ashes 06-07 results declared as a draw right?

 

[Rico]

Akhtar bowls mostly wides!! It's a shame he is gone but sometimes also glad, if only more players are like Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram and not to mention Imran Khan and Javed Miadad.

 

[Naumaan]

Yea ignorance is no excuse, never has been. It's usually pretty simple, test positive for any banned substance and it's two years. The pair of them got off lightly.

The main difference between Warne and Shoaib Akhtar for me is the regularity in which they were tested. I think the PCB only conducted tests in the first place because of Bob Woolmer. I presume Shoaib may have been tested from time to time in county cricket (although I seem to remember stories about how inadequate the system was) - but that still leaves plenty of his career when he could take steroids and not be in any danger of being caught. I don't think it's very likely Warne has had much if any benefit throughout his career from taking banned substances. Shoaib Akhtar on the other hand I think has gained an unfair advantage from it and puts a big question mark next to everything he has achieved.

********* if he has taken too many steroids in his career, why didn't he tested positive at IPL last season?
guys here called me ignorant when i said about warne, how can this man say that Shoaib took steriods, whole of his life? & how can this man raise questions against his achievements?
In 2003 world cup, we were worried that maybe Shoaib Akhter 'll be tested positive, cuz he looks like a person using drugs( not performance enhancing) but he wasn't tested positive, how can he blindly question achievements of SHOAIB AKHTER?????????*********

 

[Craig]

man what i said was he used KUSHTE, & it wasn't a banned thing here in Pakistan, cuz people didn't know that some banned substance is used in KUSHTE
many boys used them cuz they didn't even know, that's why PCB has now banned these.
Whereas in a country like Australia, most of people would now what 's legal what's illegal, if warne was banned cuz he didn't use illegal stuff, then i guess why did Cricket banned him? They were wrong then, they made mess of one year of his cricketing career

So therefore isn't it his job to find out if something is illegal or not?

 

[Naumaan]

So therefore isn't it his job to find out if something is illegal or not?

well he's out of the tournament, don't even know if he'll ever play again or not, so end of the drug story for me

 

[Scaly piscine]

********* if he has taken too many steroids in his career, why didn't he tested positive at IPL last season?
guys here called me ignorant when i said about warne, how can this man say that Shoaib took steriods, whole of his life? & how can this man raise questions against his achievements?
In 2003 world cup, we were worried that maybe Shoaib Akhter 'll be tested positive, cuz he looks like a person using drugs( not performance enhancing) but he wasn't tested positive, how can he blindly question achievements of SHOAIB AKHTER?????????*********

If he tested positive for steroids why wouldn't he have taken them before as well? PCB weren't going to test him. The logical conclusion is he has taken steroids before. He may well have gone patches without steroids in his system, that goes for most drugs cheats - they're not totally stupid.

Why should a guy like him get the benefit of the doubt?

 

[Naumaan]

If he tested positive for steroids why wouldn't he have taken them before as well? PCB weren't going to test him. The logical conclusion is he has taken steroids before. He may well have gone patches without steroids in his system, that goes for most drugs cheats - they're not totally stupid.

Why should a guy like him get the benefit of the doubt?

CHEATS, harsh word
that's what Daryl Hair used also
first prove it, then call him Cheat
he was never tested positive by the tests of ICC
but again i'll say, his career is almost over, so no point of discussing it