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    Clarke is simply not cut out for the shorter versions. So forget him and try and build a squad without him. That's the best way for Australia now.
    08/09 and 09 seasons see Clarke with 599 @ 42.79

    Albeit they're the slowest years of his careers they are still a lot of runs. Definitely should still be in the ODI team. T20? Notsomuch.
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    Clarke is a certainty for the ODI side and I don't think his name should be blacklisted never to play T20 for Australia again.

    Surely he knows that his batting approach isn't perfect but he is still dynamite in the field and a very useful part time bowler capable of bowling 2 or 3 overs per game.

    M. Clarke batted more carefully this previous couple of Summers in Test Cricket and this has seen his Test creditentials rise heaps.

    Drop him for the time being from the T20 side, keep him as VC for ODI and Test and give him some opportunities in the Big Bash (if he's good enough to make NSW's team).

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    Never say never for anything. I have no doubt he can improve but right now he's not good enough in either format (yes, I know he had a good tour of Pak, but those were rare circumstances that allowed him to play those types of innings). He shouldn't be in either side, let him improve on the domestic circuit. He improved so much as a Test bat since being dropped, why should it be any different for the shorter stuff?
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    I think the captaincy has seen him having to play a more careful role in ODI's and his batting has suffered from it.

    As captain his SR is 60 something (average 46) not as captain his average is lower but his SR is a healthy 80.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    08/09 and 09 seasons see Clarke with 599 @ 42.79

    Albeit they're the slowest years of his careers they are still a lot of runs. Definitely should still be in the ODI team. T20? Notsomuch.
    Because of a single series vs Pakistan on pitches that suited his style the most. His abysmal scoring rate is not going to help Australia much. Surely there are better strikers of the ball than him down under?

    Gun in tests though.

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    He was good against us too. Kept Aus in the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith View Post
    Clarke is simply not cut out for the shorter versions. So forget him and try and build a squad without him. That's the best way for Australia now.

    You still with this nonsense yo...rassclathh u done spoil this early mornin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    He was good against us too. Kept Aus in the series.
    He kills momentum. That;s why I don;t like him as an ODI player. Has hardly got anything above 2nd gear. Which means opposition never really relinquishes their hold on Australia when he is batting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    You still with this nonsense yo...rassclathh u done spoil this early mornin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith View Post
    He kills momentum. That;s why I don;t like him as an ODI player. Has hardly got anything above 2nd gear. Which means opposition never really relinquishes their hold on Australia when he is batting.
    e.g. Dravid?

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    The sad thing is though, even if Clarke averages 10 with the bat in ODIs for the next year, he won't even have his place questioned. No one should be untouchable like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pasag View Post
    Nannes, for one.
    Having already played for the Dutch, would he be allowed to play for Aus now..?

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    Never say never for anything. I have no doubt he can improve but right now he's not good enough in either format (yes, I know he had a good tour of Pak, but those were rare circumstances that allowed him to play those types of innings). He shouldn't be in either side, let him improve on the domestic circuit. He improved so much as a Test bat since being dropped, why should it be any different for the shorter stuff?
    Axing Clarke on current form, from the T20 side might be fair enough, but its pretty unfair to say he should be axed from the ODI team too, because lets be honest, till the 2007 ODI series in India, Clarke was easily one of Australia's top ODI batsman, but since then both Australia' and Clarke' performances have dipped in the limited overs format, but still in a struggling ODI side Clarke has been one of the consistent run-scorers, albeit he has scored those runs at a poor strike-rate.

    There is nothing wrong in asking Clarke to go back to the domestic cricket arena, and hone his limited overs batting skills, but again except Hodge and Ferguson (to a lesser extent), there is hardly any batsmen around who have done anything substantial in order to get picked ahead of Clarke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    e.g. Dravid?
    To be honest, Never regarded Dravid a good ODI player. Should not have been in the ODI team but for his wicketkeeping. But still credit when it's due, he indeed transformed into a good batsman in his last 4 or 5 years.

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    In Clarke's career by year, he has only once had his SR below 70. That was in 2008, his worst year by a long way.

    471 @ 31.40 SR 62.38

    In 09, he has so far scored 599 @ 42.78 SR 73.04 (His second slowest year) Yet for every other year of his career he has been over 80 (besides on at 77.3, more than countered by his year at 89) Hes a class act and is hardly moving along at a snails pace.

    In T20 he has been poor but in ODI's he is still one of the worlds best batsman. He could walk his way into any batting outfit in the world besides MAYBE India, and that is only a maybe. He'd still be there or there abouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    In Clarke's career by year, he has only once had his SR below 70. That was in 2008, his worst year by a long way.

    471 @ 31.40 SR 62.38

    In 09, he has so far scored 599 @ 42.78 SR 73.04 (His second slowest year) Yet for every other year of his career he has been over 80 (besides on at 77.3, more than countered by his year at 89) Hes a class act and is hardly moving along at a snails pace.

    In T20 he has been poor but in ODI's he is still one of the worlds best batsman. He could walk his way into any batting outfit in the world besides MAYBE India, and that is only a maybe. He'd still be there or there abouts.
    90 should be the benchmark SR for a batsman of the 90s, unless he is compensating it with matchwinning solid innings. Anyway, his SR should NOT be lower than 85 (ER - 5.1). Now how many times has Clarke done that in his career?
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