Who will win it this time around ?

[pasag]

If anything SA are about on par with Australia & NZ, with India ahead of those two. The only thing that might hold India back is their bowling which isn't bad, but it's nothing special but their batting'll be good enough to get them home. One of the reasons India will win is because they'll select the best team for the format, not all other sides will.

[Uppercut]

Hard to look past India for me. Anyone could win it, but India are favourites.

[Scaly piscine]

Originally Posted by Athlai

We're in the top 4-5 and T20 is a lottery. Only one thing is for sure, England are going to fail massively.

In terms of winning a World Cup New Zealand don't have it in them.

If it's a semi-final you've got a team like India, SA, Australia and so on they'll play somewhere near the top of their game - NZ don't have the quality to match it. You are not going to win with mediocrity. If it was held in WI then you might get slow rubbish to negate all the quality on show, but not here.

[Athlai]

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

In terms of winning a World Cup New Zealand don't have it in them.

If it's a semi-final you've got a team like India, SA, Australia and so on they'll play somewhere near the top of their game - NZ don't have the quality to match it. You are not going to win with mediocrity. If it was held in WI then you might get slow rubbish to negate all the quality on show, but not here.

In T20 you only need a guy like McCullum, Ryder or Taylor to score some quick runs to win a match making the difference in quality between the teams far far less than it would be in a one day match. Though I'd agree we'd hardly be favorites in an encounter against any of those sides (pending Australia's selections and form, been some shockers lately)

[Uppercut]

England are hardly hopeless at home. They need conditions that favour bowling because they'll have trouble setting massive totals, but if they get them I'd fancy their attack to do a good job more often than not.

Hopefully they lose to Netherlands in the first round though.

[KiWiNiNjA]

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

Heh @ the deluded NZ fans.

You need to get some new material.

[Scaly piscine]

McCullum, *if* he actually turns up against the top teams going full pelt and has a bit of luck is only going to get you part of the way there. His half-centuries against international sides in T20 have been a lot more sedate.

I really can't see NZ's bowling being that economical, not in a high intensity game. In England you typically get scores of around 170-180 anyway. In a knock-out match I think NZ will be looking at chasing 200 and that'll be game over.

[Athlai]

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

McCullum, *if* he actually turns up against the top teams going full pelt and has a bit of luck is only going to get you part of the way there. His half-centuries against international sides in T20 have been a lot more sedate.

I really can't see NZ's bowling being that economical, not in a high intensity game. In England you typically get scores of around 170-180 anyway. In a knock-out match I think NZ will be looking at chasing 200 and that'll be game over.

Vettori is arguably the most economical T20 bowler in the world.
NZ on average have an RPO of 7.92 bowling (that means we usually concede around 160 runs a match)

They also have played 21 T20I (the most)
8 of which were against Aus, SA and India
Against these teams only their average increase to 8.19!

(Oh Sri Lanka concedes 9.30
England 9.04
South Africa 8.42
Pakistan 8.30
WI 8.14
Aus 7.90
India 7.14)

Only once have we conceded 200+ runs and that was in our first match (also the first T20I), against Australia.

[martin88]

Going by that, India do look a great T20 side. Damn. I am hurt.

[Athlai]

Originally Posted by martin88

Going by that, India do look a great T20 side. Damn. I am hurt.

Though did lose 2-0 to NZ recently, dominated the last WC though, hence the great figures.

[Flem274*]

Why are we arguing with Scaly about NZ? I don't think he'll ever stop having a chip on his shoulder after an NZer had sex with his girlfrie....stop holding his opinion.

[Scaly piscine]

Originally Posted by Athlai

Vettori is arguably the most economical T20 bowler in the world.
NZ on average have an RPO of 7.92 bowling (that means we usually concede around 160 runs a match)

They also have played 21 T20I (the most)
8 of which were against Aus, SA and India
Against these teams only their average increase to 8.19!

(Oh Sri Lanka concedes 9.30
England 9.04
South Africa 8.42
Pakistan 8.30
WI 8.14
Aus 7.90
India 7.14)

Only once have we conceded 200+ runs and that was in our first match (also the first T20I), against Australia.

That's because NZ have played on typically more awkward pitches, same with West Indies. English pitches generally are high scoring but good bowlers will still get people out. The other reason is New Zealand play to a consistent, flat level. They don't raise their game or play half-heartedly so much like other sides do. That's why they're decent generally but a good performance will beat them - which will inevitably happen in a World Cup somewhere along the line.

[cowboysfan]

who is the joker who voted for england?

[Shri]

Originally Posted by cowboysfan

who is the joker who voted for england?

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/memb...tismyhero.html

I am not stalking him btw.

[GIMH]

Originally Posted by Athlai

Vettori is arguably the most economical T20 bowler in the world.
NZ on average have an RPO of 7.92 bowling (that means we usually concede around 160 runs a match)

They also have played 21 T20I (the most)
8 of which were against Aus, SA and India
Against these teams only their average increase to 8.19!

(Oh Sri Lanka concedes 9.30
England 9.04
South Africa 8.42
Pakistan 8.30
WI 8.14
Aus 7.90
India 7.14)

Only once have we conceded 200+ runs and that was in our first match (also the first T20I), against Australia.

Arguably? He either is or he isn't!

Originally Posted by cowboysfan

who is the joker who voted for england?