Round 16 and Beyond - Page 16

Buddhmaster · 26-06-2006, 11:03 AM

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Buddhmaster · 26-06-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

Could all be true. But at the minute, we are in the World Cup, do hold the Ashes and do hold the RWC. So there

Hmmm

Neil Pickup · 26-06-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk

It was a ridiculous call.

The referee was right on top of it and I don't see how that could possibly have been a penalty. It's almost as though the referee was itching to give a penalty at any opening. Terrible call.

I think the fact that Neill got in the way of Grosso, arrested his momentum and ultimately tripped him was the killer. I'm sorry, but that's a penalty. It's definitely more of a penalty than Materazzi's was a red...

dontcloseyoureyes · 26-06-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddhmaster

Hmmm

Indeed.

Matteh · 26-06-2006, 11:07 AM

Well, that was ********....

*worth the warning for language i feel*

Goughy · 26-06-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaze

I hope England go out more than ever now after seeing some of the comments here.

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Originally Posted by Goughy

Im imagining that this just happened to England and my stomach churned. Unlucky Aus, so many of us were cheering you on

Damn Spaniard Ref

Do you pick and choose the ones you read. As far as I can tell reading the WC thread far more Brits want Aus to do well than the other way around.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 26-06-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

I think the fact that Neill got in the way of Grosso, arrested his momentum and ultimately tripped him was the killer. I'm sorry, but that's a penalty. It's definitely more of a penalty than Materazzi's was a red...

Neill did not foul him. Grosso wasn't tripped. He practically walked over Neill and dove to the ground clutching his face. Terrible decision.

TT Boy · 26-06-2006, 11:09 AM

Why did Neill go to ground as soon as he did?
After that it was pretty straight forward for Fabio Grosso drop the shoulder and go over. Neill made it easy as you like for Grosso. Shame really he was arguably Australian’s best player throughout the tournament but he was not helped by Marco Bresciano’s attempt at defending, gave one hell of an invite to Grosso to attack, he obliged and the rest is history.

Overall I thought Italy fully deserved the victory, defended superbly and created the best chances of the game even with the handicap of ten men. Australia had the opportunities to throw men on and they did not. The game was their for them and it seemed like Hiddink was not prepared to go for it like he did against Japan and Croatia and that cost them dearly.

Also magnificent penalty from Totti, doubt if two GK’s would have stopped that.

BoyBrumby · 26-06-2006, 11:09 AM

Terrible, terrible decision. Actually decisions, because Neill was a prize pillock for diving in & allowing himself to be Grosso's patsy.

I can't imagine how the Aussies must be feeling now. I've had some that are hard to stomach (Luton winning 3-2 in League Cup Final in '88 with last kick, Nayim from the halfway line in '95, Owen nicking the FA Cup from us in 2001, England losing on pens in any given bloody tournament you care to name), but that is a kick in the crotch.

Matterazzi possibly didn't deserve a straight red, but (I think) he'd been booked already & a def yellow IMHO. The same end result.

Fair play to Oz, did 'emselves proud.

Goughy · 26-06-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

I think the fact that Neill got in the way of Grosso, arrested his momentum and ultimately tripped him was the killer. I'm sorry, but that's a penalty. It's definitely more of a penalty than Materazzi's was a red...

He is under no obligation to move, there is no right of way. He was there first and the opponent went over him. Should not have been a penalty.

Swervy · 26-06-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

I think the fact that Neill got in the way of Grosso, arrested his momentum and ultimately tripped him was the killer. I'm sorry, but that's a penalty. ..

Sorry, dont see that one...the act of getting in the way without contact doesnt mean its a penalty. if that is given 9 time out of ten, then 9 times out of ten its the wrong decision

FaaipDeOiad · 26-06-2006, 11:14 AM

That decision was an absolute farce. The notion that anyone could defend it or the result of the match is absurd. The red earlier wasn't quite on, but it was an extremely hard challenge, was late and didn't get the ball, so you can argue that a red was justifiable.

Italy defended very well, but Australia more than matched them through the middle and neither team deserved to concede. It should have gone to extra time, and Australia certainly shouldn't have lost like that.

Hiddink didn't chase the game because he still had 30 minutes to play with, quite simply. Australia never looked like giving up a goal after the sending off, and he was quite right to save his substitutions given the advantage that another half hour with fresh legs would have given Australia.

Buddhmaster · 26-06-2006, 11:15 AM

We were cheated, simple as that. Horrible way to go out, especially considering how much we dominated the game. Ukraine of the Swiss surely wouldn't have been as big a task as well.

Blaze · 26-06-2006, 11:15 AM

As far as im aware lucas neills motion stopped before the italian player made contact, does this count for anything?

BoyBrumby · 26-06-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaze

As far as im aware lucas neills motion stopped before the italian player made contact, does this count for anything?

It wasn't a penalty. Simple as.

The trouble is that he was sprawled on the floor, leaving Grosso with the relatively simple task of leaving a trailing foot there & going to ground. The ref was a sucker for buying it, but more blatant dives get pens every weekend.

26-06-2006, 11:09 AM	#234 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,613	Terrible, terrible decision. Actually decisions, because Neill was a prize pillock for diving in & allowing himself to be Grosso's patsy. I can't imagine how the Aussies must be feeling now. I've had some that are hard to stomach (Luton winning 3-2 in League Cup Final in '88 with last kick, Nayim from the halfway line in '95, Owen nicking the FA Cup from us in 2001, England losing on pens in any given bloody tournament you care to name), but that is a kick in the crotch. Matterazzi possibly didn't deserve a straight red, but (I think) he'd been booked already & a def yellow IMHO. The same end result. Fair play to Oz, did 'emselves proud. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

26-06-2006, 11:14 AM	#237 (permalink)
FaaipDeOiad Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 18,682	That decision was an absolute farce. The notion that anyone could defend it or the result of the match is absurd. The red earlier wasn't quite on, but it was an extremely hard challenge, was late and didn't get the ball, so you can argue that a red was justifiable. Italy defended very well, but Australia more than matched them through the middle and neither team deserved to concede. It should have gone to extra time, and Australia certainly shouldn't have lost like that. Hiddink didn't chase the game because he still had 30 minutes to play with, quite simply. Australia never looked like giving up a goal after the sending off, and he was quite right to save his substitutions given the advantage that another half hour with fresh legs would have given Australia. __________________ I know a place where a royal flush Can never beat a pair Last edited by FaaipDeOiad; 26-06-2006 at 11:17 AM.

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26-06-2006, 11:03 AM	#226 (permalink)
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26-06-2006, 11:09 AM	#233 (permalink)
TT Boy Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: . Posts: 16,321	Why did Neill go to ground as soon as he did? After that it was pretty straight forward for Fabio Grosso drop the shoulder and go over. Neill made it easy as you like for Grosso. Shame really he was arguably Australian’s best player throughout the tournament but he was not helped by Marco Bresciano’s attempt at defending, gave one hell of an invite to Grosso to attack, he obliged and the rest is history. Overall I thought Italy fully deserved the victory, defended superbly and created the best chances of the game even with the handicap of ten men. Australia had the opportunities to throw men on and they did not. The game was their for them and it seemed like Hiddink was not prepared to go for it like he did against Japan and Croatia and that cost them dearly. Also magnificent penalty from Totti, doubt if two GK’s would have stopped that.

26-06-2006, 11:15 AM	#238 (permalink)
Buddhmaster International Captain Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Same place as the Ashes Posts: 5,615	We were cheated, simple as that. Horrible way to go out, especially considering how much we dominated the game. Ukraine of the Swiss surely wouldn't have been as big a task as well.

26-06-2006, 11:15 AM	#239 (permalink)
Blaze Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NZ Posts: 5,124	As far as im aware lucas neills motion stopped before the italian player made contact, does this count for anything?

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