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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy
    Of course, hence the reason why Aragones job was never in question.
    The very small fines they hand out.

    Why even bother? But if it happened in England, Blatter would come down on the FA like a house of bricks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    The very small fines they hand out.

    Why even bother? But if it happened in England, Blatter would come down on the FA like a house of bricks.
    Because it is a completely different cultural, Spain is a not a multicultural/faith society. UEFA can not expect them to come under the same precedent as other more diverse countries, sure that means one rule for one but put it this way if the Spanish coach was getting his leg over with any old tart especially a Muslim one at that he would be for the high horse but in this country, adultery means ****. Hell are new manager Steve McClaren has already been playing away from home.

    Sid Lowe's article for the Guardian, principally concurs with my point but in a more articulate and precise manner.

    http://football.guardian.co.uk/comme...353008,00.html
    A good read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy
    Because it is a completely different cultural, Spain is a not a multicultural/faith society. UEFA can not expect them to come under the same precedent as other more diverse countries, sure that means one rule for one but put it this way if the Spanish coach was getting his leg over with any old tart especially a Muslim one at that he would be for the high horse but in this country, adultery means ****. Hell are new manager Steve McClaren has already been playing away from home.

    Sid Lowe's article for the Guardian, principally concurs with my point but in a more articulate and precise manner.

    http://football.guardian.co.uk/comme...353008,00.html
    A good read.
    So how are you supposed to erdicate the problem by handing out soft and token fines?

    God only help the day an England manager tells a black player who didn't play well, a racist comment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    So what did you think of Ron Atkinson then when he made his racist comment to Marcel Desailly a few years ago then, even when he was manager, he was certaintly never racist?
    Ron told you that?

    I remember him pleading his case, saying such things as 'some of my best friends are black'.

    Good riddance - and as the slogan says: 'Kick It Out'.
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    No it was something I read when he was in charge of West Brom and I think Leicester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    No it was something I read when he was in charge of West Brom and I think Leicester.
    Yes, it was a throwaway.

    Ron Atkinson did come out with a fairly convincing case on the face of it - he did introduce a number of black players to the game, but that is no excuse.

    Sometimes words do speak louder than actions.

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    And he attended the funeral os a black player who died, and he was one of the few white guys to turn up.

    But I agree it is not acceptable and not on, and that was disappionts me about the actions in La Liga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    So how are you supposed to erdicate the problem by handing out soft and token fines?
    Your not.
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    So we are supposed to leavie it and let it become a problem?

    Leave it and it will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    So we are supposed to leavie it and let it become a problem?

    Leave it and it will.
    I think what TT is saying is that it's not just football's problem - it is inherent within certain elements of society (In England, partly amongst the Daily Mail / Daily Express reading fraternity, partly amongst the great tribal unwashed who look upon any encounter with anyone as worthy of confrontation).

    As far as the situation within football is concerned, it used to be dreadful in England - it's only 30-odd years ago that we had the first black player pulling on the national shirt, and only a dozen years or so since Roy McFarland felt that he had to substitute Derby's black players in a playoff match at Millwall following a seemingly racially-motivated pitch invasion.

    Incidentally, a decade later, a Millwall apologist named Gary Miles penned a sanitised version of the night's events for the club's website, trying to claim that the incidents that were widely publicised at the time did not happen in the way they were supposed to, suggesting that there were about 40 trouble-makers and the rest of the crowd were well-behaved.

    DO NOT BELIEVE A WORD OF IT.

    Millwall took effective action to rid themselves of the pariah that had accompanied them over the years by ostracising the fascist tendency, and in this they are to be applauded. They are no longer a club who attract a large number of supporters from organisations such as the NF, but Miles's rubbish does them no justice whatsoever in trying to paint a whiter than white (pun intended) picture of their history.

    They were scum then by association, they are no longer scum now.

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