The England Thread

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by Pratyush

So just because you disagree with the view it becomes utter rubbish?

So of course, you again know more about this subject then do you?

Every comment from Piscine is based on the fact that Sven isn't English.

On one hand he keeps saying its the best bunch of players we have had in years.

Next he's saying we'll only do well if Rooney is a worldbeater...

[luckyeddie]

Originally Posted by Tom Halsey

I hope not, very shrewd club manager, and one of the best arounbd atm, but I don't like the idea of him being England manager.

Out of the 4 English guys LE mentioned, I'd have Curbishley any day of the week.

He pushes all the right buttons for me too. I think MacLaren will end up as whoever's selected's No 2 - the guy's an absolutely brilliant coach.

If we were looking ahead to 2010, my dream ticket might be O'Neill and Pearce - the Clough legacy 35 years too late (should have been Clough and Taylor in 1974 or 1978 at the latest).

[Scaly piscine]

Originally Posted by marc71178

So of course, you again know more about this subject then do you?

Every comment from Piscine is based on the fact that Sven isn't English.

On one hand he keeps saying its the best bunch of players we have had in years.

Next he's saying we'll only do well if Rooney is a worldbeater...

Nearly 40000 posts and you still can't read properly.

[BoyBrumby]

The idea of Sam Allardyce taking over as England manager fills me with dread. Yes, he's done v well @ The Trotters, but they play absolutely dogturd, route-one football with even fewer Englanders than my team regularly stick out.

Personally I think there isn't an English manager up to the job just now. Martin O'Neill is about as close as we could get, but I'm not even sure he's in the market just now with his wife's illness. As an Ulster Catholic he may not even want the job either. I have a suspicion that when the Glazer's finally take Sir Alex out to the barn with a twelve-bore Hiddink will take over at ManUre, but if he doesn't he'd be my shout for our next manager.

What I do find disturbing is that Sven plans to sue the NOTW for breach of confidence. That won't be disruptive at all....

[roseboy64]

Hiddink's not a bad choice. If he can get Australia to the second round of the Wc he'll be able to get England to at least the semis.

[Tom Halsey]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

What I do find disturbing is that Sven plans to sue the NOTW for breach of confidence. That won't be disruptive at all....

And apparently he's come out and said something in the papers today (though I haven't read it and don't know what it is) - I think he's losing it.

[aussie]

cant remeber his name, the guy who used to coach celtic the other day that quit, he would make a good coach.

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by Tom Halsey

And apparently he's come out and said something in the papers today (though I haven't read it and don't know what it is) - I think he's losing it.

He said it last week apparently - hasn't just come out and said it.

Considering what others have said in the last week or so, it's not that big a shock.

[roseboy64]

Originally Posted by aussie

cant remeber his name, the guy who used to coach celtic the other day that quit, he would make a good coach.

That would be Martin O'neill. He unfortunately has problems at home so won't be coaching for a while if ever.

[cpr]

imagine big sam as england manager. Nolan as captain, Davies up front, no one else under 35 in the team.....

Cant remember exactly, but when i had a look at the draw as a whole, so long as we win our group (and theres no huge upsets elsewhere that effects our fixtures )we've got a nice draw to the QF, even semi's..... Of course thats relying on us not messing up as per usual.

As for the team, so long as robinson doesnt get crocked we've a decent keeper, and a solid backup keeper in John Terry (anyone who saw his diving 'it was ball to hand, honest guv' against fulham a few weeks back will agree).
Defence wise were pretty good, now that rio's remembered what to do.
Upfront we've got owen, the guy who can do nothing for 90 minutes, have 3 decent touches and walk away with a hattrick, and crouch, who's now showing that he's quite good with the ball at his feet (he's still absolute pish in the air, but hey, he's not hesky, so wont complain), with handy backup in defoe. Oh and that little guy they call Rooney (forgot about him, oops)

Its just the midfield that worrys me.

Sure lampards done well for england. But gerarrd, great player he is, just doesnt perform that well at international level. Beckham, great player he is, is absolute tosh for england, and we've no genuine left winger (as a utd fan even i know richardson is very much scraping the barrel).

Then theres the players we have as backup, a million handymen and not enough men who are handy. Smith, P Neville, Hargreaves, Richardson. All will probably go because they can cover many roles. None of them are really effective in any of those role though. Given that the subs bench in the world cup stretches to as many people as you can find (tea lady included), surely replacing the mass of these sorts of players with a specialist in each position would make sense.


Also our couch is pants. A great coach can influence a game from the sidelines (see mourinho's scraps of paper telling his team how to play, or the number of times man utd have got out of jail late on through a good substitution).... Has anyone ever been convinced that once the whistle goes, eriksson has any control? also his substitutions never seem to be aimed to changing a game, never a change in tactics/formation. Its stick to our guns and hope we break through (actually, how very british!)

Like i said, QF should be a certainty (if not then its axe time for sven, not literally, shame), semis should be within our reach. If we manage that its a case of hope we can win the 3rd place playoff, because we cant reasonably expect to compete with Brazil, France or the perennial world cup flukists, germany (on home turf n all)

[roseboy64]

France aren't that hot though.

[Pratters]

Originally Posted by marc71178

So of course, you again know more about this subject then do you?

How does that matter Mr. Know it all? A proper arguement instead of rubbishing a comment wouldn't have resulted in my reply. Doesn't matter whether the comment is from Piscine or whoever.

[marc71178]

It was a standard Piscine rant which I've countered on several occasios and am getting fed up of typing the same thing.

Quite what it had to do with you, I'm not sure.

[BoyBrumby]

From the beeb's website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4641682.stm

Football's worst kept secret is official. Hopefully it'll put an end to all the "will he or won't he" speculation. What is worrying tho is who's the favourite to replace him: Fat Sam. Why the obsession with an English manager? I'd have thought the fact that none of the top five English clubs feel the need for one was a big enough clue to the FA that there's no-one about just now who's up to the job.

[Barney Rubble]

Originally Posted by roseboy64

Hiddink's not a bad choice. If he can get Australia to the second round of the Wc he'll be able to get England to at least the semis.

Jumping the gun a little there. He's got very little chance of getting Australia through to the second round. He's done well enough to get them to the finals.