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The England Thread

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Scaly piscine said:
What happened in the last 2 tournaments? Brazil are better than they were 4 years ago and England won't get teams even as bad as Portugal to knock themselves out against. If England do anything it will be in spite of the vegetable.
I honestly thought that you were intelligent (still do, really) - but continually calling the manager 'The Vegetable' just because he's a Swede is just like calling ........

(looks in mirror)

Carry on.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Scaly piscine said:
What happened in the last 2 tournaments? Brazil are better than they were 4 years ago and England won't get teams even as bad as Portugal to knock themselves out against. If England do anything it will be in spite of the vegetable.
In 2002 we had a half fit squad (or is that Eriksson's fault as well)

In 2004 there were various things like the referee and another injury that you for seem reason blame Eriksson for as well.

It's funny how at one point you say that he has the strongest squad for a long time, but at the same time you say that they need Rooney to play like a god to have any chance.

Need to make up your mind which it is.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
marc71178 said:
In 2002 we had a half fit squad (or is that Eriksson's fault as well)

In 2004 there were various things like the referee and another injury that you for seem reason blame Eriksson for as well.

It's funny how at one point you say that he has the strongest squad for a long time, but at the same time you say that they need Rooney to play like a god to have any chance.

Need to make up your mind which it is.
They need Rooney to play like a god because the vegetable is such a bad manager. With a good manager they wouldn't mess up a 1-0 lead against a team that has a poor defense and wasn't stringing 3 passes together. With a bad manager you need individual brilliance because the qualities coming from a good well knit unit won't exist (you'll be a clueless/disorganised team playing well below squad potential because you have a bad manager).
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
marc71178 said:
In 2002 we had a half fit squad (or is that Eriksson's fault as well)

In 2004 there were various things like the referee and another injury that you for seem reason blame Eriksson for as well.
What you say way well be true about 2002, but if you really want a manager who, when things are clearly going badly wrong, sits there emotionless, and doesn't make even 1 tactical change, then you're in the minority.

In 2004, the tactics were clearly all wrong, whether the ref was crap or not, and if we had have won 2-1 it would have been fortunate.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
luckyeddie said:
He'll go immediately after the World Cup - and for the last year, that's always going to have been the case.

To try to appoint a new manager now would be absolutely bonkers.
well he has said win or lose after the WC he will go, but i wonder who will take over from him since i reckon most of the players seem to like him a fair lot as coach.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
aussie said:
well he has said win or lose after the WC he will go, but i wonder who will take over from him since i reckon most of the players seem to like him a fair lot as coach.
Well, the likely candidates (at least according to one paper I've read) are Curbishley, MacLaren, Allardyce and Pearce.

Steve MacLaren WAS flavour of the month last season, but his halo has slipped of late.
Stuart Pearce, as he himself admits, is a laughable idea.
Alan Curbishley or Sam Allardyce are both logical choices, but I'd look to Martin O'Neill as my No 1 choice.

It won't happen either if Sven doesn't want to go, because with his contract not actually due to end until 2008, it could conceivably cost the FA about 6 million quid in compensation.
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
superkingdave said:
Allardyce for mine
I hope not, very shrewd club manager, and one of the best arounbd atm, but I don't like the idea of him being England manager.

Out of the 4 English guys LE mentioned, I'd have Curbishley any day of the week.

superkingdave said:
wouldn't be too fussed if Beckham retired from international football after the WC
I'd be celebrating.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Pratyush said:
So just because you disagree with the view it becomes utter rubbish? 8-)
So of course, you again know more about this subject then do you?

Every comment from Piscine is based on the fact that Sven isn't English.

On one hand he keeps saying its the best bunch of players we have had in years.

Next he's saying we'll only do well if Rooney is a worldbeater...
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Tom Halsey said:
I hope not, very shrewd club manager, and one of the best arounbd atm, but I don't like the idea of him being England manager.

Out of the 4 English guys LE mentioned, I'd have Curbishley any day of the week.
He pushes all the right buttons for me too. I think MacLaren will end up as whoever's selected's No 2 - the guy's an absolutely brilliant coach.

If we were looking ahead to 2010, my dream ticket might be O'Neill and Pearce - the Clough legacy 35 years too late (should have been Clough and Taylor in 1974 or 1978 at the latest).
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
marc71178 said:
So of course, you again know more about this subject then do you?

Every comment from Piscine is based on the fact that Sven isn't English.

On one hand he keeps saying its the best bunch of players we have had in years.

Next he's saying we'll only do well if Rooney is a worldbeater...
Nearly 40000 posts and you still can't read properly.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
The idea of Sam Allardyce taking over as England manager fills me with dread. Yes, he's done v well @ The Trotters, but they play absolutely dogturd, route-one football with even fewer Englanders than my team regularly stick out.

Personally I think there isn't an English manager up to the job just now. Martin O'Neill is about as close as we could get, but I'm not even sure he's in the market just now with his wife's illness. As an Ulster Catholic he may not even want the job either. I have a suspicion that when the Glazer's finally take Sir Alex out to the barn with a twelve-bore Hiddink will take over at ManUre, but if he doesn't he'd be my shout for our next manager.

What I do find disturbing is that Sven plans to sue the NOTW for breach of confidence. That won't be disruptive at all....
 

roseboy64

Cricket Web Content Updater
Hiddink's not a bad choice. If he can get Australia to the second round of the Wc he'll be able to get England to at least the semis.
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
BoyBrumby said:
What I do find disturbing is that Sven plans to sue the NOTW for breach of confidence. That won't be disruptive at all....
And apparently he's come out and said something in the papers today (though I haven't read it and don't know what it is) - I think he's losing it.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
cant remeber his name, the guy who used to coach celtic the other day that quit, he would make a good coach.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Tom Halsey said:
And apparently he's come out and said something in the papers today (though I haven't read it and don't know what it is) - I think he's losing it.
He said it last week apparently - hasn't just come out and said it.

Considering what others have said in the last week or so, it's not that big a shock.
 

roseboy64

Cricket Web Content Updater
aussie said:
cant remeber his name, the guy who used to coach celtic the other day that quit, he would make a good coach.
That would be Martin O'neill. He unfortunately has problems at home so won't be coaching for a while if ever.
 

cpr

International Coach
imagine big sam as england manager. Nolan as captain, Davies up front, no one else under 35 in the team.....

Cant remember exactly, but when i had a look at the draw as a whole, so long as we win our group (and theres no huge upsets elsewhere that effects our fixtures )we've got a nice draw to the QF, even semi's..... Of course thats relying on us not messing up as per usual.

As for the team, so long as robinson doesnt get crocked we've a decent keeper, and a solid backup keeper in John Terry (anyone who saw his diving 'it was ball to hand, honest guv' against fulham a few weeks back will agree).
Defence wise were pretty good, now that rio's remembered what to do.
Upfront we've got owen, the guy who can do nothing for 90 minutes, have 3 decent touches and walk away with a hattrick, and crouch, who's now showing that he's quite good with the ball at his feet (he's still absolute pish in the air, but hey, he's not hesky, so wont complain), with handy backup in defoe. Oh and that little guy they call Rooney (forgot about him, oops)

Its just the midfield that worrys me.

Sure lampards done well for england. But gerarrd, great player he is, just doesnt perform that well at international level. Beckham, great player he is, is absolute tosh for england, and we've no genuine left winger (as a utd fan even i know richardson is very much scraping the barrel).

Then theres the players we have as backup, a million handymen and not enough men who are handy. Smith, P Neville, Hargreaves, Richardson. All will probably go because they can cover many roles. None of them are really effective in any of those role though. Given that the subs bench in the world cup stretches to as many people as you can find (tea lady included), surely replacing the mass of these sorts of players with a specialist in each position would make sense.


Also our couch is pants. A great coach can influence a game from the sidelines (see mourinho's scraps of paper telling his team how to play, or the number of times man utd have got out of jail late on through a good substitution).... Has anyone ever been convinced that once the whistle goes, eriksson has any control? also his substitutions never seem to be aimed to changing a game, never a change in tactics/formation. Its stick to our guns and hope we break through (actually, how very british!)

Like i said, QF should be a certainty (if not then its axe time for sven, not literally, shame), semis should be within our reach. If we manage that its a case of hope we can win the 3rd place playoff, because we cant reasonably expect to compete with Brazil, France or the perennial world cup flukists, germany (on home turf n all)
 

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