Originally Posted by Tomm NCCC
Vaughans last tour in Australia he had a great time, Trescothick always hits runs against Australia, a 50 every other innings which would probably save us in at least one game (I dont know which one, though) and Simon Jones is always great, It wouldve been a better contest and you wouldve been sweating a fair bit more, i tell you that
Vaughan has been out of form for ages, Trescothick can barely lift a bat these days, and Jones would've had no more success than Mahmood or Anderson considering they've had zero success getting the Kooka to reverse.
Making assumptions that these guys would've all fired if included is way off the mark - look at ol Freddie - he's turned out to be nothing more than a handy bowler in Australia...not a consistent strike bowler, and certainly not an all rounder. Why would've these guys been any different?
It's not as if England are just starting to play rubbish cricket. They've been playing rubbish since lords 05. This is no stutter...stutters last one series, like the ashes 05 for the Aussies....this is a slide. The only players who Australia might've developed a plan B for is Flintoff and Pietersen - we've already exposed Flintoff the batsman, have conquored Flintoff the bowler...we are still working on Pietersen, but I think his psych is starting to wilt.
No one in world cricket fears England - Sri Lanka, Pakistan and India have already proven that. England are going to finish 6th overall for their 2006 results. You might care to remember that in their holy year of 2005, they finished worse than this - 7th.
You are still judging your team on their very best performances - sure their best is pretty good, but why do they all have such mediocre career records? Because they hardly ever produce their best, and they certainly struggle to produce their best away from home. What you have there is inconsistent cricketers. There will be no England dynasty.....the run is already finished...and all you've won is 2 tests against a McGrathless Australia at home, and another 2 tests against a Pollockless South Africa away (let's not bother counting the windies as I do recall our home triumph was dismissed as being meaningless).
I do remember the scoffing when people dared to suggest what might've happened if these rather important players were on the field. The difference is predictions of what might've happened if McGrath or Pollock were playing are a lot easier to make - they are champions who consistently produce - Vaughan, Trescothick and Jones, are not.